shutterbug

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-17 23:26 發表
my story again... (background info: I am 6 years older than Ah Lik)

20 years ago, my father was injured in an accident, he was a site worker (i.e. 地盤佬) and he kept working for 5 more years until h ...

congrats...you have a great mom!!!  you should be proud of your dad too cuz he got permanently injured for supporting a family too

I think you're not the only example, there are lots of real tough lives during the last two generations (around baby boom time).  Back then most people are poor and work their butts off to support the family.

btw, you and Ah Lik (Traum) are brothers?

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Ultraman

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-17 22:04 發表
let me try to answer these, see if we're really different...LOL

- Why telling "lie" is not good but "white lie" is OK? Doesn't any kind of lie mean dishonesty?
To me any lie is not good.

Yes, to me, all lies are not good and involve dishonesty. (at least we are common in this, haha...)
HOWEVER, I have to use some white lies in my life. That's not only being selfish to make my life better/easier/happier, but that also make the people around me feeling better/happier.
If one day your gf/wife puts up some new make-up and ask you what she looks, even your heart thinks she's very ugly, would you say so?

- What do you think to put a coma patient "true permanently sleep", is it good or bad to "itself" and "its" family and relatives and friends "it" cares?
If you ask me, I won't.

Mind to explain why you won't? (despite your religious background)
I will(providing that I am in the same family, and I have the authority to say yes or no.) Yes, I love the one lying on the bed, but I also love the ones still "alive". Looking the living ones bear such a sad burden everyday, false hoping everyday, and then heart breaking everyday again..... , I rather choose to end the life of the one lying on bed, but relief all others who are still living and need to move on for their lives. Yes, I will be very upset and heart breaking too, but that is my choice.

- If one day my wife and I being kidnapped, and the terrorist wants to kill either one of us in front of the other, and release the other, what would you choose?
I'd say to the terrorist "up to you"...lol  I don't think either of us is easily replaceable by the other...so doesn't matter who they kill

To tell the terrorist "up to you" doesn't mean you love your wife and will protect her as you need to do. How if the terrorist says: "OK, then I'll rape your wife first and then kill you but release her afterwards."?
I know, that's only my hypothetical question, but you didn't want to pick your choice, that actually reflects what kind of person you are. (I have no negative meaning at all.)

Ultraman

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-17 22:34 發表

你講晒啦...
It doesn't matter who you're irresponsible to you're still being irresponsible.  So to be a good guy, a responsible guy, to your country and family, then low quality family should not have kids right?  Isn't it the same thing?

No no, I'm not trying to cover my own shxt, but really wants to tell you what I think.
To answer your question straightly, YES, I do think "low quality" (not just poor, but lack of all the essential elements I mentioned, and even more)families/parents shouldn't have any kid if they want to be a responsible family/parent.
Tell me what is a good reason a "lack-of-all-the-essential-elements" family/parent still wants to have kid(s)?

"tomorrow will be better" works most of the time ga wor...given that the current condition is bad...life is full of valleys and peaks, if you're at the bottom, next thing will be a peak (whether big or small), you won't be at the bottom all the time ga wor...I'd say it works most of the time la...LOL

I agree, "tomorrow will be better" works sometimes. Yet it only works on those people who "still have something in hand" (have potential or strong potential to be better). But it's very very unlikely for those people who "have absolutely nothing in hand" (not even one chip to gamble).

[ 本帖最後由 Ultraman 於 2008-12-17 22:53 編輯 ]

shutterbug

Just answer quickly cuz kind of OT

If one day your gf/wife puts up some new make-up and ask you what she looks, even your heart thinks she's very ugly, would you say so?

Handle this with wisdom lor...just say I think you will look better with this, that, that and that...LOL

Mind to explain why you won't? (despite your religious background)
I will(providing that I am in the same family, and I have the authority to say yes or no.) Yes, I love the one lying on the bed, but I also love the ones still "alive". Looking the living ones bear such a sad burden everyday, false hoping everyday, and then heart breaking everyday again..... , I rather choose to end the life of the one lying on bed, but relief all others who are still living and need to move on for their lives. Yes, I will be very upset and heart breaking too, but that is my choice.

I don't have the right to take lives, that's all.

To tell the terrorist "up to you" doesn't mean you love your wife and will protect her as you need to do. How if the terrorist says: "OK, then I'll rape your wife first and then kill you but release her afterwards."?
I know, that's only my hypothetical question, but you didn't want to pick your choice, that actually reflects what kind of person you are. (I have no negative meaning at all.)

wah....so 風回路轉 ah...how can you guarantee that they don't do this after you give them a "proper" answer?  So by saying "up to you" it reflects what kind what kind of person I am already???  Wow...you're better than 先知!  You know, there is something only I and my wife will understand and I don't have to show it to a 3rd person, she knows me well and I know her well...LOL

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-18 14:39 發表
btw, you and Ah Lik (Traum) are brothers?

no la, but we are LYK!
(just suddenly thought of the 25 yo Ah Lik when I tried to type my age in previous post)

shutterbug

Tell me what is a good reason a "lack-of-all-the-essential-elements" family/parent still wants to have kid(s)?

So low quality = lack of all essential elements?  Is that your final definition?   essentials meaning you will die without it?  if that's the case, then I'd say they shouldn't *plan* to have kids too lor...LOL

But it's very very unlikely for those people who "have absolutely nothing in hand" (not even one chip to gamble).

For this kind of people, they might  be able to 睇化 tomorrow...so situation is the same, but the mind/attitude have changed.

Correction: I meant "they shouldn't *plan* to have kids" in the above

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Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-17 22:36 發表


maybe, you are correct. But I am glad that my parents are "irresponsible" to give birth to me. Moneywise, we are poor, and we lived at 廉租屋 in my childhood. Fortunately, they loved me a lot! I (also my brother) was the highest prioirity in their lives. Thanks God that I have them as my parents.

You didn't see the difference?
First, your family was not "absolutely low quality" at the beginning when the time your parents decided to give birth to you. Cuz both your dad and mom had a job. Their situation had to be changed only when your dad had an accident, which they couldn't predict in their initial plan (even rich people can have accidents).
Second, by looking at you nowadays (I mean according to the chats on the forum), your parents were economically poor in the past but not poor in many other ways (those "essential elements/factors" I mentioned), and that's why the mcjohnjohn we keep chatting today is polite, self-confident, self-satisfied, positive, having a gf...etc. (not polishing your shoes, but I think that's most of us think too.) That truly reflects your parents are not irresponsible! And yes, your parents should be proud of having you to be their son; and yes, you should be proud to have them to be your parents.

mcjohnjohn

First, your family was not "absolutely low quality" at the beginning when the time your parents decided to give birth to you. Cuz both your dad and mom had a job. Their situation had to be changed only when your dad had an accident, which they couldn't predict in their initial plan (even rich people can have accidents).  

No, they were poor even they both went out to work. They were not able to save a buck... esp. I had lot of illnesses when I was a child. Even without money, I don't think my life was in "low quality". I could not afford to have expensive toys, but my dad bought me a table tennis bat that I loved it and played it everyday. They spent time to bring me to library and borrowed books for me.

I could still remembered my brother and I worked at home after school, we helped my mother to assemble headphones from raw. It was like to have a factory line at home and it was fun. I know that I am a very lucky one.

KY+NY

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-17 20:37 發表


pills are better than condom, however, your girl should take the pills regularly to make it effective.

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KY+NY

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-17 21:02 發表

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