rockypath

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 18:40 發表


You bring up another very interesting aspect, and that is the ability to perform independant verification. Using back the somewhat offensive example. If the birth certificate is faked, I can go test ...

You should be aware that in science, independent verification is impossible in many areas. Many areas and process cannot be reproduced. Therefore, they are just theories and many scientists use generally accepted theories (many of them cannot be proved to be the facts) to explains other phenomena. For example, the “Big Bang” theory and the theory of evolution.

Both “big bang” and “evolution” are theories, not facts. Scientists are still studying them and trying to prove them till they are generally accepted or till some other theories having better explanations arise from other studies.  

I have also seen many people “blindly” believe in sciences and take those theories as facts.

MSN04

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 18:40 發表


You bring up another very interesting aspect, and that is the ability to perform independant verification. Using back the somewhat offensive example. If the birth certificate is faked, I can go test ...

Salute to you.  You seem to be the only one who can put up constructive comment in this post when other people just try to bully their way thru :p

shutterbug

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 18:40 發表


You bring up another very interesting aspect, and that is the ability to perform independant verification. Using back the somewhat offensive example. If the birth certificate is faked, I can go test ...

I like your scientific way of thinking and I agree science can do a lot.  However, for things as straightforward as it seems, science still can't prove that you're your dad's son 100%.  So at the end of the day, we're still in a circle?  Or another example, science can prove life after death.  I think you can only "believe" it or not.  My point is that a lot of things cannot be proved by science, so you will not believe in anything that's not proven or can be proven?  If so, I think you missed a lot!  Many things in life requires faith, like you have faith that the parents you have now love you and care for you.

As in science, nothing is 100%, it allows for more evidence to be corrected, such that the probability that the claim is true will be enhanced as more evidence is collected.

So science keeps changing when more evidences are collected...so when will you know the final result?  I hope it doesn't take too long, definitely not after you died.

Btw, by definition God cannot/does not lie.  Ancient philosophers can tell you that.

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shutterbug

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-6 18:51 發表


第幾章同第幾節doesn't matter, and I am too lazy to find
but answer me
how does bible say about other religions?
they don't just mention it once
did u and your 弟兄姊妹 talk about other religions dur ...

Bible's view is that you shouldn't worship false gods.  Who's false god?  That's another topic.

shutterbug

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 02:14 發表

Another example:
Why playing Mah Jong is not allowed (should say prohibited) in church but poker cards is (usually used for bridge games)? Christians' reason is, Mah Jong is a well-known gambling gam ...

I think this depends on what is the driving force behind playing MJ or poker, etc...

For non-believer's sake it better not to play these kind of games in the public so that they don't get confused, but really MJ or poker is just a game like monopoly if you don't bet money on it.

The driving force for gambling is greed for most of the people.  There will be no casinos if you can't play real money.  If you say gambling gives you excitement that others can't, then you should donate the money you won to charity.

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-7 09:51 發表
how does bible say about other religions?

聖經叫人唔好祟拜其他不正義既宗教.

they don't just mention it once did u and your 弟兄姊妹 talk about other religions during gathering time?

我成日同朋友我幫舅公摺金銀衣紙, 清明又會陪阿媽去清明法會拜我阿婆, 我有同人講既.

what were their opinions about other religion?

信耶穌就最好啦, 不過, 信一個導人向善既宗教都唔會反對.

when u and your 弟兄姊妹 try to spread your believes to others, did any of you guys mention about how bad are 關帝 and 觀音?

我係會用我既品格同行為去傳福音, 親身作天主既見證. 我都唔鍾意d 人拎住本"信望台"hard sell 的. 無啦啦講關帝 and 觀音仲乜?

mcjohnjohn

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 11:07 發表

I think this depends on what is the driving force behind playing MJ or poker, etc...

For non-believer's sake it better not to play these kind of games in the public so that they don't get confused,  ...

... 打麻雀, 上落只不過係一百幾十, 算唔算greed?...
... 小弟間唔中(有多寶獎金)都會買六合彩(買$5), 算唔算greed?...

greed 唔greed, 自己知就得喇, 有人覺得我greed 就greed 啦, 有乜所謂丫.

chunsh

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 20:17 發表

聖經叫人唔好祟拜其他不正義既宗教.

tell me, in Christian/Catholic's point of view, which religion is real and 正義 besides themselves

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 17:27 發表


邊個同你講架?... 小弟六歲開始打麻雀, 打到廿幾歲先開始唔打乍.



邊個同你講架?... 小弟讀書既時期講好多粗口的, 出左黎做野就冇講了.

What you did/do can represent all Christians? Please reread my comment, I didn't and never say Christians will not do this and that. Actually yes, some do/did. However, it's just a minority. Go ask your church and your pastor, and also many other churches and Christians, how many of them think playing Mah Jong in Church is not a problem? How many of them think swearing is not a problem? Good to know you are one of the minority though.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 19:23 發表


... 打麻雀, 上落只不過係一百幾十, 算唔算greed?...
... 小弟間唔中(有多寶獎金)都會買六合彩(買$5), 算唔算greed?...

greed 唔greed, 自己知就得喇, 有人覺得我greed 就greed 啦, 有乜所謂丫. ...

Actually, yes, this is called and counted as greedy! (of course)
Remember? To steal one dollar is the same as to steal one million from your God's eyes. Same theory (not I said this but please refer to your bible), want to win one dollar is the same as want to win one million, it's still count as greedy.
Of course you can ignore what others comment you and you can keep living in your own world.