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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 21:12 發表


Where in bible say believers is not eligible to play mahjong and buy mark 6?
Can you please point it out clearly?

Seems that you are the one who don't see your problem.

Where in the bible says kids shouldn't play PS3, xbox360, Wii and DS 8 hours a day instead of doing their homework?
OK now I understand, you just follow exactly what the bible says words by words, instead of to understand the true meaning of it.

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 00:23 發表

you completely missed me...

I did not force people to convert...rather just voicing out my thinking.

I said once again...sigh....I said you studied bible for 9 years and still not clear on some bas ...


Shutterbug 你覺得Nam讀左9年聖經waste of time,gum Nam接觸過的基督徒個D行為係對於你或者信主D人係有冇問題呢?我本人唔覺Nam有咩浪費時間喎,難道睇用9年睇晒金庸D書後記唔晒D故事情節又叫浪費時間嗎?你讀gum多年書老師教你邊D野你記唔得曬?大把謙虛的基督徒,甚至牧師睇一世聖經都唔會明白得晒,何況一個不信的Nam?憑甚麼話人浪費時間? Shutterbug你gum勁不如旨導一下D不成熟的基督徒呀。

[ 本帖最後由 katamari 於 2009-1-7 01:10 編輯 ]

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 21:42 發表

As I've said before, playing MJ in a church is not a good idea because it makes people who don't know think that they're gambling.  Nobody wants this extra trouble and confusion.  When people see MJ, they automatically think it's gambling.  Plus, why do you have to play it in church, there are many other games!  I don't even play cards there.  One should know what's appropriate and what's not.  To do something not that beneficial but may cause harm, it's better not to do it at all or seek alternative.

In HK, soccer used to be a very healthy sport game until soccer gambling is legalized. From then on, soccer is (could be) a gambling tool too. So, is playing soccer OK in church? Would there be people think it's a gambling game?
I know, MJ has been widely spread as a gambling game for centuries. It's very normal for people to have an impression that playing MJ means gambling automatically. However, does it mean that believers need not to explain/clarify to others if they just want to play it as an entertainment but not gambling at all? Actually MJ is a very good tool for brain exercise, and good for Parkinson patients and lots more benefits (without money involved).

As for 649, thank God that I've never bought it in my Christian life so you know what's my view.  For a church to accept money donation originated from 649 is a risk and kind of inappropriate, just like the MJ case.  Likewise, do you think a church will accept money originated from a robbery?  There are many people who don't know what's going on and what those people going to say could harm the church's image.

Yes, I think like that too. But it's mcjohnjohn who thinks it's not a problem, more than OK for a church to accept these kind of money (not me). Tell him/her what others think la.

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 17:24 發表
Yes, I think like that too. But it's mcjohnjohn who thinks it's not a problem, more than OK for a church to accept these kind of money (not me). Tell him/her what others think la.


Different ppl have different point of view, who is right and who is wrong? No one knows.
If I am staff in church, I really don't mind to receive donation from believer who wins Mark 6.

I know what others think la (many believers don't gamble), no need to emphasize on it.
I admit that I gamble, but I don't think I will become a non-believer.
I know that I am not a perfect one. hehehe

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 17:05 發表
OK now I understand, you just follow exactly what the bible says words by words, instead of to understand the true meaning of it.


Can you please kindly explain the true meaning of the bible? I am glad to get some ideas from you.

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 17:01 發表
Many people know greedy is absolutely not a good thing in Christianity and Catholics. To say my POV is different from yours, better say your POV is different from your religion and many other believers.


Yes, my POV is different from many other believers. Should believer have the same POV in all aspect?
If two person have totally same POV as each other, they are clone.

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 03:00 發表


Can you please kindly explain the true meaning of the bible? I am glad to get some ideas from you.

我妖,
所謂"true meaning of the bible",
咪又係神父解俾你聽個幾頁.

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mcjohnjohn, I'm glad that you're "back to what you are before". Haha...
I always treasure our open discussion.
I didn't mean to challenge you or disrespect you, I just want to be a mirror of you, to reflect what you can't see about yourself. (please excuse me if I'm over-ranked myself)
What I want to point out is, yes, every human is not perfect, including believers and non-believers. You can be greedy even you are a believer, and I can be selfish even I become a believer too (for example). So what?! I just dislike people "tell lies with their eyes widely opened". You can be greedy and gamble even you're a believer, but gotta know your mighty God is not happy about it. That's it.

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Can you please kindly explain the true meaning of the bible? I am glad to get some ideas from you.
Yes, my POV is different from many other believers. Should believer have the same POV in all aspect?
If two person have totally same POV as each other, they are clone.

For example, bible didn't say kids can't play PS3, xbox360.... 8 hours a day and not doing their homework. Of course, there were no such things at that time, so you won't see those items in the bible. However, there are many "ideas"/"concepts" clearly stated, such as "people should not do anything that is harmful to their bodies (health)", this implies playing video games in an addicted way is a no no in God's eyes.
And therefore, there are a lot of things didn't mention in the bible words by words like that, so people have to interpret every single sentence by their own understanding and judgment, and thus different "meanings" come up. What is real truth and what isn't, only God knows. But what is more likely and what is more unlikely, "mature believers" should have a closer compromised answer.

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与其喺道花時閒講幾百十句去辯論,倒不如直接帮助週圍有需要嘅人,多說些安慰人的說話!
林前13:1“我若能說萬人的方言,並天使的話語,卻沒有愛,我就成了鳴的鑼、響的鈸一般!”
林前13:2 “我若有先知講道之能,也能明白各樣的奧秘,各樣的知識;而且有全備的信心,能夠移山;卻沒有愛,我就算不得什麼!”

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