kingkong123

回復 7# BiscottiGelato


    退一万步讲，就算西方国家系心怀不轨，别有用心甘又点啊？

只要让中国人有人权自由，唔理他动机系什么，最终达到中国人民主自由就得了， 话知她西方国家别有用心，心怀不轨，这些都是后话，只要中国人有民主自由人权，中国人会阻止西方国家的别有用心和心怀不轨。唔同只有独裁共产党政府先可以做到？ 有人权的中国就唔可以吗？

你没脑咖？

BiscottiGelato

回復  BiscottiGelato
你没脑咖？
kingkong123 發表於 2010-12-12 00:52

文化收養顯而易見. 好難有意義咁作出討論.

To expect China to adopt Democracy and uphold Civil Liberty with the highest regard any time soon is simply unrealistic. Excessive repulsion to the CCP regime will only make them mistrust and even more reluctant in give up power. It is human nature to try to preserve the status quo. The corruption cannot be eliminated overnight. Just screaming and yelling will not improve China.

It seems Premier Wen might have the heart required to slowly transform China. But the CCP bureaucracy is huge. It takes more than 1 man to get the job done, and there won't be a 180 degree reversal overnight.

What I think is the LXB fiasco is way over blown, as intended by the ones who planned the entire drama by deciding to give him NPP in the first place. Separatism clearly is not something CCP will tolerate one bit. As we know freedom of speech only goes so far, even for the hypocritical US over the case for WikiLeak. The fight for Civil Liberty would be better spent on cases like the 3/6 Baby Formula guy. Fighting for LXB is a lost cost IMO.

It will take a lot of effort and time to transform China. Much of CCP would need to be replaced with fresh ideas through education system of the free world (not just 'Western'). Such replacement will probably only happen through attrition, as we know there is no way to boot the oldies out otherwise. Much of China will need to have much higher standard in terms of moral regards and education in order to allow for greater Civil Liberty and maybe anything that resembles Democracy.

BiscottiGelato

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    退一万步讲，就算西方国家系心怀不轨，别有用心甘又点啊？

只要让中国人有人 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-12-12 00:52

So you think that economics and standards of living can be conceded as long as Civil Liberty and Democracy is achieved? The Western world is trying to use these as handles to deter China from gaining even more in terms of global economic and political influence. I think a lot of people in China will disagree with you in that it is OK for China to bend over to foreign interest as long as Civil Liberty and Democracy is achieved.

Besides, it's not like conceding to foreign interests will actually bring Human Rights and working Democracy to China anyways...

somewhereintime

回復 13# BiscottiGelato


    I respect you for your wealth of education, I just do not understand why    you always think negative when it comes to  political reform?

    It take a big heart and insight to make change, what would China be if
    Deng did not dare to change the system set up by Mao  upside down?
    Why you insist that China will turn into chaos if democracy happens in China?

    KMT was defeated and fled to Taiwan, but it has been  matured and prosper in
    most area, culturally, economically and politically.  Ah-bien's regime was corrupted
    so it was trashed by its people. Only with the strong opposition party's presence
    that a government would work diligently and accountably.
    In China, 6o years without major war after Korean war; some people, especially
    those have relationship with high officials, become super rich. Li Pang's daughter
    control the electric power business in China, how could it happen?
    Democracy is not perfect, and it does has a cost, but it is worth to struggle for.

soli

回復  soli


    哈哈哈，讲读书，你拍马都追唔上啦

见你讲野狗唔答八甘，又一次证明你智商有问题，外加 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-12-12 00:47

閣下學歷越高﹐我就越擔心。擔心的是大陸的教育質素。
因閣下表現出來的程度﹐跟小學生無異。

kingkong123

回復 13# BiscottiGelato


    你讲野都有病的边个话要 “China to bend over to foreign interest as long as Civil Liberty and Democracy is achieved.”

系你自己一厢情愿。

一个好简单的的例子， 隔离屋的老豆日日殴打自己的仔女，打到遍体鳞伤，连床都落唔到， 如果我本身就同隔离屋的老豆不和，要拆散他一家，我心怀不轨，别有用心，想他一家人死晒都好。

难道我报警解救隔离屋的姐弟就系错？？？因为心怀不轨，别有用心？

一个好简单的例子就已经戳穿你的假面具啦，细佬

kingkong123

回復 14# somewhereintime


    哈哈哈，你话她wealth of education

算吧啦，简直就侮辱左education 这个字啊

kingkong123

回復 15# soli


    哈哈哈，好话啦，如果我系小学程度，唔通你的程度和见识会高于小学程度？

soli

只要让中国人有人权自由，唔理他动机系什么，最终达到中国人民主自由就得了， 话知她西方国家别有用心，心怀不轨，这些都是后话，只要中国人有民主自由人权，中国人会阻止西方国家的别有用心和心怀不轨。

本來唔想再講﹐但看到這句﹐唔出聲又唔得(徙我時間)。

追求民主自由人權既目的係為了人民既幸福。
如果得到民主自由人權既結果係人民失去幸福﹐甚至失去生命﹐民主自由就係屁都不如。

遠既唔講﹐講近既伊拉克﹐英美為了石油﹐以自由民主人權名義進攻伊拉克﹐結果係點呢?
幾十萬人非自然死亡﹐到現在仍內亂不止﹐恐襲不斷。
當人民既生存既權利都沒保障﹐死亡只變成是一個數字﹐何來人權自由?

“最终达到中国人民主自由就得了， 话知她西方国家别有用心，心怀不轨”
閣下如此天真﹐說你是小學生﹐已經是抬舉了。

現在的小學生醒過你十倍不止~

somewhereintime

為了人民既幸福---共產黨推翻國民黨口號，結果係
結果係人民失去幸福﹐甚至失去生命﹐民主自由