somewhereintime

中國人文化有一個弱點就是對強權認錯, 不對受害者認錯。他們已對偉大的党認錯了, 英明的領導們認為沒有公開的必要。
MyOMy 發表於 2009-5-13 09:19

That's why I said Chinese live in China are pathetic, except  for the elite class.
I was born in China, I want to see China prosper too

Lik

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090623/4/cufv.html
川震死難學生家長 赴京上訪再受阻
(明報)2009年6月24日 星期三 05:05

【明報專訊】新華社屬下的時政刊物《半月談》發文稱，內地社會矛盾增多，各地基層幹部頻頻以「非正常」方式如監視、強行參加「學習班」、提供免費旅遊甚至用錢收買等方式勸阻上訪者，並不能解決根本問題，反而會令民眾對政府更加不信任。

四川地震過去一年多，8名都江堰聚源中學遇難學生家長不滿政府仍一直未能徹查「豆腐渣」校舍，擬前晚從成都坐火車赴京上訪，但在成都北站遭公安攔截，他們被送返家鄉，屋外並有人監視。44歲的周興容說，「他們說『盡量給你們解決』，現在也沒人解決。」周興容和丈夫在地震後多次試圖上訪，但在清明節、「512」川震周年時受到打壓，丈夫更曾被毆打。

官媒斥地方政府百般阻撓

最新一期《半月談》稱，現時基層幹部「維穩」壓力很大，一旦在區內有訪民赴京上訪，上級部門都會處罰上訪者所在的單位或政府負責人，輕則通報批評，重則丟官罷職。故此，鄉鎮政府每逢敏感時期，往往安排幹部「人盯人」阻止上訪戶越級上訪，還會請上訪戶住賓館、喝酒吃飯、或到外地旅遊，更有限制人身自由的「法制培訓班」，即把上訪戶集中學習信訪條例，包吃包住，但不允許隨意出去。上述種種「花錢買穩定」的做法成為政府開支的無底洞。

「令人民對政府更不信任」

報道引述遼寧新民市周坨子鄉30年上訪戶崔德忠說，為了讓他不要上訪，政府提供全家「低保」（即綜援）待遇，今年4月還送給他1袋米、1袋麵粉、兩桶油和7斤半香蕉，但他表示「我不認可政府這種做法，我之所以不放棄上訪，就是想討個說法。」

中國社科院農村所社會問題研究中心主任于建嶸教授說，「收買」破壞了信訪民眾對公平正義的追求，造成對政府更加不信任，也不利於中央真正了解民意。

Lik

好奇怪點解班走狗唔敢走來響呢個 post 度宣揚佢地嘅歪理同為主子護短。

唔係自己身有屎，點解要做埋咁多小動作？明明係有豆腐渣，明明自己係有錯，點解都仲係要極力唔認，而反為仲要做咁多野去掩飾？

點解唔可以文明啲，有錯就認，然後追究責任？過中當然有人要丟官、賠償、甚至被依法判重刑，但如果責任係一直唔須要有人去負嘅話，咁啲官嘅操守、社會嘅質數又點會進步？

-力

rockypath

好奇怪點解班走狗唔敢走來響呢個 post 度宣揚佢地嘅歪理同為主子護短。

唔係自己身有屎，點解要做埋咁多小動作？明明係有豆腐渣，明明自己係有錯，點解都仲係要極力唔認，而反為仲要做咁多野去掩飾？

點解唔可以文 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-6-25 09:39

Lik,

Your attitude does not make you a true 社會民主衛士. When I make comments, I tried to be rational and objective. It is not a matter of defending CCP.

First, other than the news report, I do not have much information about this subject, especially from other sources (can you share if you have?) telling us how the Chinese government responses to this. Are they really doing nothing or actually doing something about this?

Second, I also believe the Chinese government has not done enough or should be 問責 on this incident.

Our objective criticism and 問責 will help China grows politically and democratically. Blind attacks will serve the opposite.

No matter what and regardless which party is in power, I always wish and support China to continuingly become stronger economically, politically and democratically. I am lucky enough to be in Canada, and I wish mainland Chinese have a better life as well.

P.S. – the source for MingPao is from another media (半月談)under 新華社. So you still deny China is growing politically and democratically?

Lik

Had you watched the TVB special program that I posted at the beginning of the thread, you would have seen and heard the exact same story being told by 2 courageous village parents to the TVB reporters. Government officials were using a combination of bribery and threats in attempt to get the parents to shut up and give up their fight. Being the tame and obedient peasants that most Chinese have been, many have gave in to the dirty tactic that the government employed.

The same story has been re-told over and over again. Is the truth really that difficult to grasp?

I don't believe in playing nice with the government and politicians because for the most part, the nature of politics and politicians means they are corrupt. There are exceptions (the fine folks of LSD, Dr. Sun Yat Sen, for example), but they are few and far in between, and definitely the minority.

-Lik

Lik

I never denied that China is progressing politically and democratically. (On the other hand, human rights conditions never improved in the last 20 years, and in fact, have only gotten worse on numerous fronts.) Heck, a student getting 5/100 in a test when he always used to get 1/100 is a 500% improvement. But how is 5/100 not a miserable failure?

On a different note, reports and the press in China deserves to be commended, despite the censorship and close scrutiny that often takes place. A lot of the reporters and editors are always testing the boundaries and the limits of the CCP. IIRC, 南方都市報 is one of the more daring newspapers, and have had their share of editors being sacked and/or investigated for the reporting and editorials that they've published. Of course, at the end of the day, when Grandfather orders everybody to shut up, everyone has to shut up.

Contrast that with the increasingly useless wimps that make up the HK media. Programs such as the ones I posted (about Tofu leftovers, 6.4, etc.) are extremely rare these days. Everyone (and CCTVB, in particular) has adopted a most aggressive self-censoring style. A gutless press is definitely not a something you want to see in society.

-Lik

peter236

China's per capita GDP is more than 3 times that of democratic India.

Lik

China's per capita GDP is more than 3 times that of democratic India.
peter236 發表於 2009-6-25 15:23

車，仲以為阿 Peter哥會有咩講添！來來去去你咪又係死剩你主子果一句「窮得只剩下錢」？

-力

peter236

車，仲以為阿 Peter哥會有咩講添！來來去去你咪又係死剩你主子果一句「窮得只剩下錢」？

-力
Lik 發表於 2009-6-25 16:33

you stupid moron, you are just parroting what your British master paid you to say. But your US/Uk masters are going bankrupt. China is now controlling the value of the $US.
China now has the money to pay for education, social welfare etc, while the western countries are now bankrupt with big fiscal deficits.
Money is not important? Maybe Lik has too much money already, but to a lot of people, what they need is money to improve their living standards.

rockypath

On the other hand, human rights conditions never improved in the last 20 years, and in fact, have only gotten worse on numerous fronts.
Lik 發表於 2009-6-25 15:52

Can you make a strong argument with supporting evidences for this statement that you made?

It is a true test to see whether you really know about China and sincerely care for mainland Chinese people. Or you just at here 亂吠 and try to fulfill your personal ego and desire.