Lik

He could mean a pre-tax income of $10K, which comes to $20 an hour
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-10-2 11:27

Oh crap, you're right. It should have been $19.something / hr. Must have had a brain fart when I did the math.

I hardly think prisons could be considered a top notch living environment, although in certain northern European countries, minor crimes that results in jail sentencing do send the criminals to minimal security prisons where the environment is not too different from regular society, and they report an extremely low rate of crime there to begin with. But with US prisons busting at its seams, prisons' living quarters are crowded and are definitely not a comfortable place to be. As long as basic human rights (food, shelter, security, etc.) are guaranteed, that is already quite enough.

We all know the law is not always just. And in certain countries, it happens far more often la.

-Lik

快樂牛郎

As long as basic human rights (food, shelter, security, etc.) are guaranteed, that is already quite enough.
Lik 發表於 2010/10/2 12:11

A top notch environment compared to the shxtholes they would be living in if they weren't in prison.  A prisoner costs the government $30,000 a year.  A lot of people don't even make that much money in a year.

Lik

A top notch environment compared to the shxtholes they would be living in if they weren't in priso ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-10-2 17:38

Again, the fact you state is entirely correct. However, what about the cost to society if the criminal is not locked up? If the criminal would result in $60k's worth of damages had he not been locked up, then society is saving $30k right there.

-Lik

快樂牛郎

Again, the fact you state is entirely correct. However, what about the cost to society if the criminal is not locked up? If the criminal would result in $60k's worth of damages had he not been locked up, then society is saving $30k right there.
Lik 發表於 2010/10/3 08:29

What's the cost to society if we just execute the guy? $0
Of course this is assuming we do this asap and do not allow any legal processes.

Lik

The cost of execution could be minimal, but the repercussions could be quite serious.

China is the leading country in the world in terms of the number of executions performed, but people continue to lie, cheat, rob, etc. As a matter of fact, I think being sentenced to die so rather easily in China is part of the reason why serious crimes are so common. If getting caught in bank robbery can get you a death sentence already, why wouldn't you kill off a couple of people when you escape to ensure that you can run away?

In general, 治亂世 用重典 is an utterly poor policy, but that is what China is doing.

-Lik

快樂牛郎

TChina is the leading country in the world in terms of the number of executions performed, but people continue to lie, cheat, rob, etc. As a matter of fact, I think being sentenced to die so rather easily in China is part of the reason why serious crimes are so common. If getting caught in bank robbery can get you a death sentence already, why wouldn't you kill off a couple of people when you escape to ensure that you can run away?
Lik 發表於 2010/10/3 13:44

I seriously doubt it. People rob banks because they need money, and their lives were already fxxked regardless whether they did it or not.  If you need to kill a few to get away, I don't think it matters whether u receive a life sentence or execution. There's no comparison here because you don't know what the crime rate would be when there was no capital punishment in China.  Comparing the crime rate in China vs. the rest of the world would never tell you whether execution is the right way to do. But two things are for sure - 1) cost is lower 2) there's no chance for them to recommit another crime

sheep

I seriously doubt it. People rob banks because they need money, and their lives were already fxxke ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-10-3 14:55

    so you mean, the judge, law enforcement personnel will loss their jobs if there is a capital punishment