kingkong123

本來唔想再講﹐但看到這句﹐唔出聲又唔得(徙我時間)。

追求民主自由人權既目的係為了人民既幸福。
如果得 ...
soli 發表於 2010-12-12 12:21

哈哈哈， 你都好意思话人地小学生，你简直就是弱智儿童，话你弱智都侮辱了弱智人士

你条白痴仔，中国有打仗吗？ 中国人有民主会影响你没饭吃吗？就会失去幸福吗？

中国人维权不愿吃有毒奶粉，不吃有毒食物，中国人的生存权利就没有保障吗？唔通吃左有毒奶粉，住豆腐渣楼中国人就会很幸福？ 中国工人每日排住队跳楼就是幸福生活？ 你条死产讲野有没人性噶

中国没民主，没人权先会有现在的不河蟹，如果过甘河蟹需要日日大叫河蟹吗？ 又唔见加拿大政府日日叫河蟹？

soli

回復 21# kingkong123
西方國家要西藏獨立﹐是不是也要聽他們呀?
閣下真係中國既恥辱。

kingkong123

回復 22# soli


    你有病啊，狗唔答八

你有理博到我吗？ 收皮啦你

somewhereintime

回復 22# soli


    Easy solution, referendum in Tibet, send in 1 M  PLA for security,
    see if the CCP dare

sheep

回復  kingkong123
西方國家要西藏獨立﹐是不是也要聽他們呀?
閣下真係中國既恥辱。 ...
soli 發表於 2010-12-12 20:08

唔通人叫你向西行
你偏要玩對立
係要往東走

理性啲啦

somewhereintime

唔通人叫你向西行
你偏要玩對立
係要往東走

理性啲啦
sheep 發表於 2010-12-12 22:35

東風壓倒西風,
CCP's theory

BiscottiGelato

回復  BiscottiGelato

    I respect you for your wealth of education, I just do not understand why ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-12 08:16

I am not saying China would turn into chaos if democracy mysteriously happens overnight. Even tho I'd say based on the education level of China, when you extend out to really rural areas, I don't know if a centralized government would be better or a democracy would be better...

But my point is, I just don't see how democracy is going to happen overnight in China. Why and how would the current regime give up power? They give it up just because they are nice and give Democracy as a Chirstmas gift to China? How long did it take for Deng to turn back Mao's system? And obviously, to instigate radical changes it will take more than 1 person's will to push it through, you are asking for a lot of people in power to give up their power. I just fail to see under what scenario that this can happen overnight, or over any short period of time (anything under 10 years).

Second only to the era that Deng was in power, the current regime in China probably is bringing in the most rapid pace of developemnt in both the economy and also in civil liberty to China. Counting from the period after the death of Mao, the pace of development in China for both aspects can probably be considered as a miracle given the population being involved.

From my limited knowledge in various foreign history, there probably is no precedent example of a centralized communist government changing into a democratic system without going through some sort of economic hardship, political collapse or maybe outright war. I applaud the current CCP's regime's effort in attempting at a slow transition (at least some in there probably is attempting that, definately not all). Even if they fail I really won't blame them for that. Regardless, I don't think there's much people that'd wish for either economic hardship or war for China. Given that China seems to be fairly politically stable, a rapid change to democracy without blood being shed is unlikely.

I think much of the current criticism is misplaced, esp for the LXB incident which I think is purely provoked by Western powers. More-over, the value that LXB brought towards democracy IMO is limited, if any at all. All the recent turmoil probably makes CCP officials to place even more mistrust at the public and the Western media at large, becoming even more reluctant to give up power. And definately, he did not bring any contribution to peace, that's for sure.

Obviously there's still a lot of things that CCP did completely wrong in almost any one's opinion. The first one to blame, probably is Mao himself. For reigning terror to China for some 20/30 years. Probably destroyed another 100 years of progress right there... For the current incident however, LXB saw it coming when he did what he did. I can't exactly blame CCP for the predictable reaction that they are taking on both the LXB and NPP fiasco.

somewhereintime

So the whole world should just  stand  back and patiently
observe  the CCP to continue violating human right and corrupt
Until it burst or repent one day.And  for the lowly citizen in China, they cannot afford the luxury
of liberty, just live at their  master's mercy.

somewhereintime

威權的荒謬，人權的踐踏

soli

回復 23# kingkong123
要自由民主﹐首先就要free tibet。
西方社會叫囂左幾十年﹐全LYK都知﹐閣下唔通又唔知?
無知無識又無教養﹐閣下真係中國既恥辱~