echo

quoted from blog.vincentlaforet.com

Having video capacity in stills camera is an old story. A lot of P&S have it, some in HD. How having this in 35mm full frame camera will revolutionize…yes, what? TV or film production?
Professional EFP-electronic field production- requires dedicated pro cameras. The ones with proper frame rates, resolutions and fields , Time Code, big HR viewfinder, XLR audio connections, shoulder mount capability, long lasting bateries,and many many other things. Any video professional will tell you that having a camera as crippled as 5D2 for video production is not their dream. The only interesting feature is the low light capabilty. But then what stops Canon from putting this capabilty on their proper video cameras? Another story is the moving pictures cameraman skills. How many photographers think in terms of “crossing the axis”, edit matches, shot sequence, zoom avoidance, camera movement, rhythm etc etc. In the worst case all 5D2s will produce bad looking amateur videos. You Tube is gonna broadcast them all?
This thread already shows the great ignorance of the filmic issues within the photographic community. Why on earth would you need great storage and bandwidth to show HD movies on the web? Apple Tunes store sells them by hundreds.
1 hour occupies something like several gigabytes at most. Nobody of sane mind will place raw (in the sense of unprocessed, acquisition quality) footage on the web! The 5D2 codec apparently records with 35 mbit/sec. Regular dv is 25 mbit/sec. But that’s acquisition quality. For distribution you must go down to several mbit/sec to make the whole experience palpable even to the most broadband armed, web savvy users.
I am sorry to disagree wwith most, but the marketing gimmick is not revolution.
Great low light capability-yes. Give it to me on the proper dedicated video camera, the one that will have cameraman faint of hand fatigue. Try to hold your 5D2 in front of your eyes for hours. You’ll learn a thing or two about “duck walk” to minimize shaking, about hand and back fatigue etc.

Comment by Piotr 09.21.08 @ 4:59 pm

shutterbug

I think you still don't get what this means to a photographer...not a videographer...just stop looking at this from a videographer's point of view...everybody knows that this is not a video production cam...

The valuable thing here is to be able to record a high quality video while you're taking pictures with your good old DSLR!  You're not going to be a cinematographer with this thing OK...

The bandwidth issue that VL is talking about is to host a sample of what this 5D2 can do...not for your everyday show and tell...

BTW, smugmug has stepped up to show this sample later.

shutterbug

VL's comment to the shallow DOF question...I don't see why you can't stop down with the lens???

"Mr Nea - you can shoot at f22 if you want… and then it’ll look like all of the consumer video you see out there… so to me shooting at f2 is a Godsend… "

"Avi - to be honest - it was “point an shoot” could not have been easier… sure a bigger heavier camera has it’s obvious advantages in terms of stability etc… that will never go away… but different tools have different strengths… this one is so small and lightweight that it allows you to work very very quickly - and handheld - whereas I hate working handheld w/ camcorders… that being said - when you zoom or focus the lens you have to be steady - focusing is not really an issue - but zooming is not as easy as with a camcorder - hopes this helps. you simply hold the camera as it it were a still camera… "


Gimmick?  I won't say that if I were you, maybe it's gimmick on DC's video.  Just wait and see how many photographers will adopt this in their businesses in the near future!  Imagine when you're showing a slideshow of picture galleries, you see a nice intro and a ending to complete the set, or to compliment the important moments!

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-9-22 13:01 編輯 ]

echo

其實我好想有部 dream machine 既可拍　VIDEO 又可拍 still 架，

then I can sell my sony Z1 out and those LAVs, mics, video heads, tripods.. video lights..

不過, 針沒兩頭利.  CANON 一向有出 VIDEO CAMERA, 難道佢會搬石頭砸自己對腳？？

我未轉HDV 之前都有用CANON VC, CANON 係利用本身經驗﹠ADVANTAGE 去打擊NIKON.

至於你講：
Just wait and see how many photographers will adopt this in their businesses in the near future!  Imagine when you're showing a slideshow of picture galleries, you see a nice intro and a ending to complete the set, or to compliment the important moments!

不用等啦，好多人做緊。

echo

講多句, 我都好想要5D2, 因為佢有淺景深, 拍VIDEO效果比得上 MOVIE, 就算 2/3" ENG 機都做唔到. (原因在於鏡頭，　以前要做同樣效果係非常麻煩，　如用CANON XL2 接　EF Adapter,  但焦距乘大幾倍，另外就係用　35mm adapter，　咁做係非常昂貴。　

canon　就係睇到呢個市場。買部　5d2　平過買　35mm adapter，

至於係唔係淺景深就好呢？係拍　video　實踐之中，拍　event　用　sony z1　有時都 out of focus，　用　5d2　真係不敢想像！　至於話收光圈拍，呢句話係外行人講。

記唔記得早幾年成日嘈　canon　走焦？　原因係以前用　film　唔係每個人放大相，　轉左係mon睇，　個個都　100% crop.　試想下　hdtv,　37" 42" 50"...而且仲要係 MOVING OBJECT!

如果有 canon　用　5d2　拍　tracking shot　或者　close up moving object 就好啦。canon web site D sample 全部避重就輕.　

Catpiano

Put it this way .. it is a BONUS .. for 90% 5DII buyer/user .. they may not use the Video function all the time..

I hv checked few you tube from diff photographers, they all said they USE movie once a while ..  ( DC ? ) so with the 5DII, dont hv to carry 2 ( or 3 ) camera, but 1 or 2 ..     so that is a plus (bonus) for them ..

What I am impressed .. is the quote " 5DII is same or better then the 1DS III in term of picture quality, and much better high iso performance ..  "  (Isn't it what we want?)

Dont get me wrong, I will be more then happy to use the Movie function ..   lol ..  will see in 7 weeks.

[ 本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2008-9-22 14:37 編輯 ]

chobit

I don't use to think video is a big deal until I have Dario.. !  Right now, I have to take pictures with my DSLR, then take out my G9 to take videos.  With the 5Dm2, it may help resolve this issues..!

I wonder if the 5Dm2 allows me to swap the 2 wheels in Av mode.

I do think the camera is a bit overkill.., but it's not like we can get the camera any cheaper by asking for less features..!

I do think 21MP is too much for non-professional use..!  Not shooting with Raw would be a waste, but if you do shoot in Raw.. you will need lots of Harddrive space, and super fast computer..!

Don't forget you don't want to store your photos w/o any sort of backup using Mirror, Raid 5, etc..  Or in some cases.. backup on DVD-R, and have them store remotely

EL

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2008-9-22 13:29 發表
Put it this way .. it is a BONUS .. for 90% 5DII buyer/user .. they may not use the Video function all the time..

I hv checked few you tube from diff photographers, they all said they USE movie once  ...

[ 本帖最後由 chobit 於 2008-9-22 14:27 編輯 ]

shutterbug

"不用等啦，好多人做緊。"
Just for discussion...I really haven't seen any from a pro photographer...can you show me a few?  All the work that they show is still images.  OTOH, videographers sometimes show still images in their clip.

Out of focus or not, it's too early to say without a real hands on review.  I dont' think Canon's DSLR AF is slow....even so the 5D is no 1D level AF...it can still do tracking quite well...especially with their ring USM in their L lenses!  The AF accuracy thing can be fixed now with microadjustment.  Also, people used to pixel peep much higher res than HD...more like 4500x3500 or higher....size of the HDTV is irrelevent...resolution matters.

Obviously, I'm not a video man so can you explain the reason for this "至於話收光圈拍，呢句話係外行人講"?

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-9-22 15:43 編輯 ]

Catpiano

Come on .. we are talking about a UNDER $3K FF Camera!

Even NO movie mode .. I will buy it .. as same as other 90% 5DII buyers ..  

However, with this move from Canon, I save myself $1100 for buying the D90 ...   

Since when, we judge a photo by the ultimate sharpness only?

Isn't it the composition/capture memont more important then ..  ultimate sharpness??


I still dont think the biggest selling point for 5DII is the movie mode ...   

Actually, I would like to see if any small improvement on the AF, even same hardware, but newer/better software, could help!     ( just need a little bit better, as 5D AF is already better/as good as most other Nikon/Sony/Oly/Fuji etc ... and if best AF is most important to a photographer? just go to the 1 series. If best AF and IQ is a must .. then be prepare your $8K lol )

shutterbug

here you go...full blown (sort of...downsize to 1/4) 5D2 clip from VL

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2 ... urther-ado-reverie/

speechless!  excellent low light

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-9-22 22:03 編輯 ]