decane

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-13 16:39 發表
Even the Palastinian Authorities rules the Hamas as a Terrorist group. I think Israel have their right to defend themselves. On the flip side, I just don't see what is the lamest excuse that the Hamas ...

Funny you say that Palestinian Authorities rules the Hamas as a Terrorist Group.

Hamas is the elected government for Palestinian.  The government call itself terrorist? too funny.

FYI, Hamas is created by Israeli to counter Fatah which now backfires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4 (directly from Ron Paul).


My point of view to the crisis is that both sides are wrong and we can never tell who is right who is wrong without a clear understand of the history of both.  We living in the west are exposed to propaganda (so do people living in gaza).  We never get both sides of the story.

WAR is wrong.

MoiRhapsody

原帖由 decane 於 2009-1-13 18:54 發表


Funny you say that Palestinian Authorities rules the Hamas as a Terrorist Group.

Hamas is the elected government for Palestinian.  The government call itself terrorist? too funny.

FYI, Hamas is cr ...

thx for sharing.

bluntbro

it is true that Israelis keep creating a monster and bomb for themselves over the course of time n this war.  Best example is, when Jew decides to build a school for humanitarian cause, the school end up receiving constant funding for books and operation and yet those money become partially and ‘accidentally” goes to the hand of the terrorist, or even worse, the school is found with an underground bomb making factory (unknown of to anybody). Hamas is almost a close match to this parable. Someone organized a political party, raise a super star, channel it through an election, and viola…we hv a monster. Does it ring a bell to you this sounds like the story of Bin Laden. We heard those stories, we saw people being wrongly accused. However, again, it is a monologue all along. Does anyone see similar stories coming from the other side, accusing the Jews has become a terrorist after receiving kind help is from the Arabs?

My point is: at the end, Jews are being sought for help and assistance up till today. It is still a young but self sustaining, technologically advance, and medically innovative country.  It’s a nation that gathers Jews as a country but not a tribe or a local community anymore. Some just simply can’t handle this idea. Whether you like to think the stripe is part a country or not….in mainstream of our world, (UN List of Member States) yes, Israel is a recognized country and Gaza is in Israel.

Israelis have their own terrorists too...but nowhere similar to how Hamas is operating…Israel terrorist are individual, guerrilla style and honestly, it is not promoted in any Jewish community. And..oh. for got to mention the new denotative weapons, look at the new bombs people....Israelis using new bombs....white phosphate

decane

原帖由 bluntbro 於 2009-1-14 12:40 發表
it is true that Israelis keep creating a monster and bomb for themselves over the course of time n this war.  Best example is, when Jew decides to build a school for humanitarian cause, the school end ...

Take a look at what Israeli troops did today.  It's disgusting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm

soli

My point is: at the end, Jews are being sought for help and assistance up till today. It is still a young but self sustaining, technologically advance, and medically innovative country.

美國每年軍事/財政援助以色列50億美元以上(以色列人口比香港還少)﹐還有無數技術無償輸出﹐唔知道原來o甘都叫self sustaining.

Israelis have their own terrorists too...but nowhere similar to how Hamas is operating…Israel terrorist are individual, guerrilla style and honestly, it is not promoted in any Jewish community.

呢位人兄真係語無倫次﹐人地係話緊以色列立國之前﹐猶太人在巴勒斯坦既一連串恐怖襲擊(為了獨立)﹐說以色列是中東恐怖襲擊先驅。

以色列若不歸還1967年軍事強佔既土地﹐停止在那些土地上殖民和停止對巴勒斯坦的軍事封鎖﹐咩和平進程/停火協議全部都也是空話。
土地一天被佔領著﹐向以色列發動攻擊也算不上挑撥行為﹐何況這些火箭攻擊極其量只是要證明哈馬思的軍事存在。

如果現在日本仍然軍事佔領住中國東北﹐中國要出兵收復土地算不算是挑撥行為?

BiscottiGelato

Saw this article over lunch in the cafeteria, being re-published on today's Vancouver Sun, in the Canada and World section if I didn't remember wrong. Just food for thought:
http://www.onejerusalem.org/2009 ... fessor-condemns.php

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-14 14:12 發表

美國每年軍事/財政援助以色列50億美元以上(以色列人口比香港還少)﹐還有無數技術無償輸出﹐唔知道原來o甘都叫self sustaining.


呢位人兄真係語無倫次﹐人地係話緊以色列立國之前﹐猶太人在巴勒斯坦既一連串恐怖襲擊(為了 ...

If Japan still occupied China, and China uses conventional force to try to capture land being taken over by targeting Japanese military targets, fair game.

Hamas, as it is told by major news outlets around the world, are firing provocative rockets into Civilian areas of Israel...

Of course, news can always be faked and manipulated... but if all sources of info can be faked then there's no point for discussion here because there wouldn't be any basis for any points presented here...

Besides, the sin by Israel was not done in the Six Day War (1967). It was Egypt and other Arab gangs who started it, just that it resulted in Israel retaliation which, when the dust settled, Israel actually gained more territory in the process... The sin was done post WWII when the Western world forcefully partitioned a land for the Jews in the modern day Israel... But then, who is to say whose right and whose wrong? If you don't let Jews have their own state in Israel, how about having 1 in Canada then? LOL. Besides, from ancient times the Jews were actually in Israel and they were expelled. So whose to say whose right and wrong if you have to count back to the times of Adam and Eve or the times of the Big Bang? LOL

Just saying, when you are targeting civilian across the border, you can surely expect forceful retaliation if you don't stop. One should recognize that that's an act of defense. In war, there's always casualty... at least the Israeli forces are not purposefully targeting Gaza civilians (or at least, they are not supposed to...).

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soli

以色列軍隊上年開進加沙攻打監獄﹐殺死幾十名警察和囚犯﹐理由是怕其中某囚犯會被釋放...是誰在挑撥?

以色列卻佔約旦河西岸﹐開軍隊用剷泥車拆晒巴勒斯坦人既房屋﹐然起猶太人殖民區。 巴勒斯坦人反抗用石頭擲以色列軍人後被亂槍掃射﹐..是誰在挑撥?

攻擊非軍事目標=恐怖襲擊﹐這是軍事力量強大的一方所定義的﹐ 我可認為超限戰平常合理得很。何況現在以色列連聯合國醫院都炸﹐又向記者平民開火﹐跟哈馬斯的做法也沒分別了(還用了磷彈)。

六日戰爭是以色列先攻擊﹐
又返到日本佔領中國這個比喻﹐ 現在日本仍軍事佔領中國東北﹐ 中國集結軍隊要收復領土但被你說成是挑起戰爭了。日本就可以合情合理合法的”先發制人“一路攻進北京﹐趕走中國人將北京作殖民區了。好荒謬吧~
力強者勝﹐本來亦無可厚非﹐ 但現在有聯合國﹐ 聯合國可是禁止侵略行為的。
幾十年來﹐聯合國決議要譴責以色列不下數十次﹐要以色列撤出佔領區﹐ 絕大部份國家也支持了﹐但通通被美國行使否決權否決掉。
我地呢D相隔萬里的平民﹐也只好暗嘆這世界係幾o甘不公義。
其實以色列同中國關係一向頗好﹐若果唔係做得太過份﹐我都費事再搭嗲。。

soli

委內瑞拉宣布與以色列中斷外交關係，不滿以色列軍事攻擊加沙地帶。

連耶教國家都睇唔過眼﹐要同以色列斷交﹐可見呢班上帝選民既所作所為係幾o甘惡劣。

bluntbro

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-14 15:12 發表

美國每年軍事/財政援助以色列50億美元以上(以色列人口比香港還少)﹐還有無數技術無償輸出﹐唔知道原來o甘都叫self sustaining.


呢位人兄真係語無倫次﹐人地係話緊以色列立國之前﹐猶太人在巴勒斯坦既一連串恐怖襲擊(為了 ...

doubt it you have a good grasp of the background. Israelis have its own extremist. they are classified as terrorist and they maniac. No one condones their act. That's what I was referring to.

The support from Us is because US is playing the world police card. They either play the financial support card or send in the troops card. These relationships are called – Allies collation.

Strategically, we can't really comment on tactic and actions when troops are on the ground doing, whether they r doing the absolute right thing by the sheer action itself. People look at motive and effectiveness. And of course....that standard is limited to actions like massacre and inhuman brutality when soldiers pursuit the kill. (I am responding to those who comment on their tact in taking over prisons and shot prisoners.

I am going on to the other side, a Palestinian supporting thing…. Hopefully I will hear more and have my focuses expand wider and broader…