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反骨仔！

soli

The World saw the lights turning off in Tiananmen, and heard guns firing afterward. You and I may not have seen it ourselves, but countless number of people most certainly did. What happened at Tienanmen was obvious -- the army open fired on the students.

請問那些軍警有夜視鏡嗎? 不會怕會誤射同僚?
我傾向當時軍警若真有趁黑開槍﹐ 也是向天開槍威嚇﹐  就像剛剛的泰國軍隊一樣。
但更重要是﹐ 證據在哪?  不能想當然而定罪﹐ 西班牙記者拍攝了學生在天安門廣場撤退的錄像﹐ 學生門可是唱著歌﹐ 高舉V字手勢﹐ 笑著離開的﹐  難道你沒看過?

Besides, does it really matter whether the army started killing people (students, peasants, and protesters alike) in Tiananmen or outside?

當然重要﹐ 因為在天安門外面(幾個主要地區不詳述)的民眾/學生的確是在暴亂﹐  有錄像為證。  軍隊是否一定要開槍還擊﹐  是否使用過份武力﹐ 可以討論﹐  但鎮壓暴亂是有其正當性﹐ 是國家的責任。

若是向廣場裡面的學生開槍/鎮壓﹐ 就完全不同﹐  因為那些學生的確是在和平靜坐﹐ 手無寸鐵。  但沒證據顯示軍隊向他們開槍﹐  人證物證俱無。

四川地震是否存在豆腐渣﹐ 是否真有恐嚇﹐ 需要確切證據﹐ 例如所提及的設計圖﹐  我還在等那位"民權人士“公開這張設計圖給大家看看呢~
在這之前﹐ 我對此不予置評。  誰知道他們是否天天在練法輪功﹐ 練到走火入魔出現幻覺然後胡言亂語。

bowtie 呢次係白痴左D﹐  應該是沒準備有人會這樣問﹐  所答非所問﹐ 答了其他模擬問題的答案﹐  但也算沒給人拿到把柄﹐ 說話仍是無菱兩可﹐  泛民很難將事件再搞大。

rainbow-davie

For your information..
please read Ming Pao today.  the previous Chinese leader CHiu Chi Yeung had a 30+ hours recorded tape just released (and the book will be published soon) about 6.4.  that's the point of view of the leader.  It will give you a clear idea about 6.4.  Thanks.  period.


and soli, please answer my question.. where were you when 6.4 happen?

Well. I was an elementary student (Siu 6), but as little as I, I know what'z right, what'z wrong.

for you information, i copied a bit from Ming Pao:


趙在聲帶中解釋稱，初時他採用較溫和態度，示威也漸漸有所紓緩，未料李鵬趁他出訪朝鮮，策劃了4月26日的政治局常委會議，與其他強硬派人物聯手，說服鄧小平認為廣場的示威，已威脅到黨的統治，然後李就下令刊登4.26社論，將示威定性為反革命暴亂，以為這可嚇窒民眾，然而「那些之前較溫和的人，卻因此被迫跟激進者站在同一陣線」，令示威規模壯大。趙紫陽稱，在他返國後，曾企圖與示威學生對話，並成立特別小組，調查貪污指控，但「李鵬和其陣營人士大力試圖阻止、拖延甚至顛覆」。於是趙紫陽決定親自致函鄧小平，要求跟他會面，希望游說鄧小平認同有需要收回4.26社論。5月17日，趙紫陽來到鄧小平的家，以為那會是一次私人會晤，未料原來所有政治局常委成員都在席。趙紫陽憶述道﹕「這時我已深知不妙。」

趙紫陽要求修改社論，楊尚昆則要求頒布戒嚴，最後在沒有任何投票下，鄧小平決定戒嚴。此說法與過去有指當時進行了投票，結果是2對2，1票棄權不同。趙指由於當年沒有投票，所以就算以黨內規矩內說，戒嚴鎮壓也是非法的。趙在聲帶中稱，從鄧小平當日不耐煩的身體語言，以及政敵對他的猛批下，他知道鄧小平早已有了決定，「我的歷史任務似乎已來到終結了。我告訴自己，我絕不做調兵鎮壓學生的總書記。」

Oh.. do you know who is 趙紫陽?

soli

23# rainbow-davie

講咩都無用﹐  我只看證據。  有就拿出來﹐ 無就唔該收皮。

我幾歲也唔關你事(呢個年代﹐ 年齡已是秘密 )﹐ 唔通你想因人廢言?

Lik

四川地震是否存在豆腐渣﹐ 是否真有恐嚇﹐ 需要確切證據﹐ 例如所提及的設計圖﹐  我還在等那位"民權人士“公開這張設計圖給大家看看呢~soli 發表於 2009-5-14 13:07

Distort the facts and choose what you want to believe. The amount of undeniable evidence in both the Sichuan's tofu construction and at Tiananmen is overwhelming. Everyone knows the truth, including the top brass in Beijing!

It is pitiful that someone can sell their soul for $$. May these guys forever burn in hell.

-Lik

rainbow-davie

23# rainbow-davie

講咩都無用﹐  我只看證據。  有就拿出來﹐ 無就唔該收皮。

我幾歲也唔關你事(呢個年代﹐ 年齡已是秘密 )﹐ 唔通你想因人廢言? ...
soli 發表於 2009-5-14 14:27

so, you want me to bring a dead body in front of you to prove it?

I ask your age, because if you are my same age, or older, you will see the evidence and I don't have to argue about this.   But if you are not and insist about your knowing, then I recommend you to read more about the history of that period of time.  There are lots of books.  Of course, you will say the authors are lier.  It is up to you to judge it but at least judge after the process of finding the truth.

Well, may be there won't be universal truth.. but during the process, you will know more.  

Question, how many 1Million protest we had in HK during 6.4. period?   Why student gathered together, and because of what other incident?

MoiRhapsody

你個D都唔算得係乜證據，
只係中共既宣傳手段。

icing

Has he thinked carefully before he answer?

soli

25# Lik

我個人比較僅慎﹐  不會隨便相信沒證據支持的報導/宣傳﹐ 不論是大陸還是香港的。

不過阿力哥可能個標準唔同﹐ 又曾經受港英政府洗腦﹐ 偏向相信所有對中共比較負面的新聞﹐  那也沒法子。

rainbow-davie

25# Lik

我個人比較僅慎﹐  不會隨便相信沒證據支持的報導/宣傳﹐ 不論是大陸還是香港的。

不過阿力哥可能個標準唔同﹐ 又曾經受港英政府洗腦﹐ 偏向相信所有對中共比較負面的新聞﹐  那也沒法子。 ...
soli 發表於 2009-5-14 14:57

Well. I'm Neutral ga. lol.
if that's the case, then I think without evidence, we shouldn't talke about Tibet.  What you know is from News or internet.. same as I do, so if it cannot be evidence, then unless we are there, we shouldn't believe anything.

That's right, we shouldn't believe anything unless we see.  even ppl, or your parents, or your love on tell you, shouldn't believe... Oh.. that's so true too..so many ppl say love someone else, is that really love? no one can tell.  

God?  Unless you see it, dont' believe.
Salary?  unless you get it, don't believe there is money.
Death?  unless you die, don't believe you will die.  You think someone die may not be true too.