Ultraman

老夫 以為世間事絕少會有一方全錯另一方全對的這般黑白分明....

值得深思的是我們是否就像當年的北京民市一樣未知全部的事實而太早太感性的下了判斷呢?!
老友四號 發表於 2009-6-1 19:54

I totally agree with you this time!

daimo

老共一定用了很多$$$去收買Andrew J. Nathan(哥倫比亞大學政治科學教授)!!!!!

sheep

我相信我双眼
我相信天安門母親的說話
我不相信她们會用自己兒女的生命來造假
這卄年來 亦未見她們有何得益

Lik

老夫 以為世間事絕少會有一方全錯另一方全對的這般黑白分明。試舉一例：

明末名將 袁崇煥 被裁定通番賣國處以凌遲之刑,行刑之日北京城萬人赴刑場觀刑,有人購買袁屍肉而食!可想而知當時人對他其恨之深(明史袁崇煥)。数十年後清帝 乾隆重修明史才証實祟禎中了皇太極的反間計袁實為含寃枉死!

值得深思的是我們是否就像當年的北京民市一樣未知全部的事實而太早太感性的下了判斷呢?!
老友四號 發表於 2009-6-1 19:54

四哥，

小弟自然唔係話中共政府錯晒。響好多層面上，學生（由其係學生領袖）對事件嘅處理的確唔成熟，所以六四嘅悲慘嘅 outcome 佢地絕對須要承擔一報份嘅責任。但承擔還承擔，正如程翔所講，學生嘅錯大唔大得過中共嘅罪呢？而學生（例如王丹）亦屢次承認過學生當年嘅唔成熟。但中共呢？將學生運動定證為有組織、有預謀嘅反革命暴亂，呢個係咪就係中共嘅「承擔」呢？

祟禎到亡國一刻先領會到自己實在係枉殺咗袁崇煥，咁中國人係咪又要等到中國亡國之時先至醒覺到六四學生當年係枉死嘅呢？

-力

sheep

24# Lik


六四死嘅係大学生
汶川死嘅係小学生
重有
三鹿毒嘅係細路仔
呢D 全部係未來國家楝樑
冇咗 係唔係會冧呢?

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rockypath

別說我偏幫中共﹐現在奉上電子書link 一條﹐ 請慢慢看~
http://beijingspring.com/big5bjs/bjs/ls/index.htm
soli 發表於 2009-6-1 16:11

I will certainly find some time to read it.

I read a book about Tiananmen written by a western reporter & journalist (he was in Beijing during 6.4) in 1995 or 1996. The title seems to be called “Tiananmen Square” (cannot recall the exact name). Honestly speaking, I don’t remember 90% of what was written in the book and it was a bit too complicated for me to comprehend that time, but I remember it did trigger my thought of what exactly happened in Tiananmen Square. I remember it didn’t say thousands of students were killed and it did mention solders were killed by the mob and tanks were put on fire by the riot.

It also mentions that some students did try to control the riot and tell people not to be 煽動. But they failed and totally lost the control of the riot.

I think I can find the book and read it again since I borrowed it from the library.

peter236

I hate 共產黨. If you know what happened during the cultural revolution.
布小熊 發表於 2009-6-1 18:33

Do you hate the Japanese if you know what happened during the WWII?

Ultraman

Do you hate the Japanese if you know what happened during the WWII?
peter236 發表於 2009-6-1 23:42

You want to tell us why you hate white people because of how they had treated blacks before?

chunsh

Do you hate the Japanese if you know what happened during the WWII?
peter236 發表於 2009-6-2 00:42

why surprised?
we all know that we, the chinese, like to hate/kill our own people from the history
china governmentS (from thousands yrs ago till now) give us examples; and we can see lots of examples from here as well