Nam

I totally understand about it's solely from the perspective of 趙紫陽. My bf warned me as well.
However, he is a key person of 6/4 and his word really important to us.

Everybody would be bias because we all have our own opinion but he being the key role in 64.
His POV at least can fill the empty gap.  

I personally think it's better to finish reading this book. Then, do your own research and think clearly before get into any serious argument over the net.

chunsh

對不起，不是挑戰什麼，而是真的想再問 ... 在天安門事件中，為什麼把政府和學生放在同等地位來問責呢？他們不是處於同等權力位置啊。

例1： 你 babysit 個衰仔，他又要玩火又要玩刀，還說粗口... 最後，你斬斷他的 ...
goldie 發表於 2009-6-5 09:29

一大班人﹐就算開頭點樣有大志都好﹐group埋一班"ou" 係一笪地方太耐﹐總會變成
一o的大家都唔想見到既situation。仲有﹐係o甘既situation之下﹐樹大﹐一定有
"fu"枝。我聽一個北京來的朋友講﹐民運後期(鎮壓之前)係有人打死過解放軍/武警
(拿唔好話我道聽途說呀﹐你地好多的所謂見證﹐都係話聽當時話自己係現場既人講
)。
我係政府﹐我都會選擇清場。我會預期我會有槍聲﹐因為人太多﹐太亂。你鎮壓﹐
更有人反抗。場面控制唔到既﹐我會叫軍人/武警開槍(要知道﹐天安門個陣時甘多
人﹐如果你係武警﹐以武警/平民既比例﹐一人爆你一個樽﹐都幾係野呀)。

不過﹐我就唔會一開始就開槍﹐同埋我點都唔會用坦克黎壓人o羅

chunsh

總之用軍隊對付自己國家手無寸鐵既平民就點講都唔通。
d學生可能係玩大左，但係佢地唔抵死
最衰就係屈佢地顛覆政府，仲要殺左咁多人都唔認。

如果64中國政府無錯，加拿大都唔會有咁多香港人啦 ...
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-5 10:21

其實﹐我相信呢度好少人會真係認為中國政府一的都無錯o羅
你地唔好好似小步殊o甘(唔岩意見就係敵人先得架)

Nam

根據我讀咗趙生本書書（未睇晒）！
原本並唔係太大件事，有少少似我哋今年香港務15萬人悼念六四嘅和平遊行咁！但某人急於取悅"大佬"，就把少部份過激言論（即係好似依㗎長毛個種style)集中講俾"大佬"聽，講成班學生唔尊敬佢老人家，兼且要反中共（which is only small portion)，其實，當時個啲過激言論只不過係吹水居多！

趙生當年有去解釋俾大佬聽，大佬亦接立咗！但有人趁趙生出business trip 就拉隊去數臭啲學生！搞到大佬覺得再俾班學生搞下去，面又無，分分鐘過去辛苦建立嘅體製都會被曲解！所以就同某人講依班死靚仔係有組織，有計劃性嘅反政府行為，別需儘快阻止！

當時有人想盡快邀功，渣渣林將大佬嘅話登晒頭條！問到無問過大佬，就擺人想臺！結果兩邊都唔討好！

Nam

原本係未登頭條時，班學生大部份都係柴娃娃，發泄完情緒就算，大部份人都已經復課，只有少部份嘅學生條氣仲未順，但都唔係無夠！只要趙生做些動作，開導吓就無咩大問題！

點知某人唔幫拖不特止，仲從中作梗，破壞！結果把啲本來就容易被煽動嘅學生激怒！甚至連警察應該封路嘅，睇唔過眼，覺得班學生咁愛國都要被老屈，而敷衍了事放人！社會大眾亦因依個頭條去撐班學生，搞到班學生看見遊行後竟然無死，就更加無有怕！續而演變成六四靜坐！

rockypath

原本係未登頭條時，班學生大部份都係柴娃娃，發泄完情緒就算，大部份人都已經復課，只有少部份嘅學生條氣仲未順，但都唔係無夠！只要趙生做些動作，開導吓就無咩大問題！

點知某人唔幫拖不特止，仲從中作梗，破壞！ ...
Nam 發表於 2009-6-6 01:25

The true situation is not completely as same as what you said here. If you look further what happend around China and in other provinces, and what people outside of of Beijing City (thousand miles away) did during that period. You will know China was actually in a dangerous situation. If you saw the clip of 李敖, you should be able to get an idea. If you look further to other materials, you should have a better understanding.

Lik

The true situation is not completely as same as what you said here. If you look further what happend around China and in other provinces, and what people outside of of Beijing City (thousand miles away) did during that period. You will know China was actually in a dangerous situation. If you saw the clip of 李敖, you should be able to get an idea. If you look further to other materials, you should have a better understanding.rockypath 發表於 2009-6-6 03:36

Yes, there were many protests around the country, but does that justify the CCP using real bullets and tanks to viciously crack down on and murder the students and public at and near Tiananmen?

I dare you to say yes, you cold blooded monster. No logical justification can be said to defend the sins that CCP committed.

-Lik

Nam

題外話，剛剛和母親談起六四，原來當年她有帶我們去簽名支持！當年我年紀太細 （under 10..)，實在記不起！但我很感激她讓我有份participate.

Nam

剛讀到一段趙生寫俾大會嘅信！想不到在大方向上和我們港人所想的不媒而合，（just in case you guys attack, not all HK people, but people who mourn for 64)


在信中，他提到事件已過去八年，大會是否該認真去對六四評價呢?不管拖得再久，人們也不會淡忘六四！對於六四重新評價問題，遲早要解決的！早解決比晚解決好，主動解決比被動好，在形勢穩定解決比在出現某種麻煩時解決好！


那次學潮不管存在什麼偏激，錯誤和可指責之處，但把他定性為"反革命暴亂"是沒有根據的！既然不是反革命暴亂，就不應該采取武裝鎮壓的手段去解決。


p.s. too much word and I cannot type the whole section for you guys. Please refer back to the book. Too bad that this letter cannot reach most people and people who was intended recipient just ignore his letter.

rockypath

Yes, there were many protests around the country, but does that justify the CCP using real bullets and tanks to viciously crack down on and murder the students and public at and near Tiananmen?

I da ...
Lik 發表於 2009-6-6 10:31

First, I do not try to defence CCP and what it had been done in 6.4.

Many people had questioned why CCP couldn't handle 6.4. in a better way which they believe CPP should (or must) have done.

Can I ask a question? If CCP believed the country was in a crisis of collapsing, do you think it would use any force that is necessary to restore the order and deal with the consequence later? Do you think other countries will do differently if they are under the same situation?

There is no need to look further. Just look at our neighbour – USA. It had not only done the same thing (it was not even a movement to overthrow the government), but it invaded other countries and overthrew the governments of other countries as well for the great and mighty  reason – to protect the American people, the Freedom, and the Democracy which many people had admired and praised.   

This is not a defence statement. It is just a question to share.