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What is " MM " ar ??  

Ding ..  I only have oil change for my car every 2 yr wor .. so ..  my car will die soon?  

( but that is manufactory recomendation .. )

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MM = Maintenance Minder

I know you want to think MM as female model but it's not in this context....LOL

CP, you don't drive your car enough to see it dies la.  You'll change it way before that.

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2007 honda fit sport 5速棍波 (57500km)

1. 夏天多數WARM 5分鐘左右,冬天就WARM 10分鐘左右。同樣地都係慢行5分鐘左右先會大腳少少油。
2. 用CHEVRON 92,即宜家既91,好凍既天氣就或者會轉89。用92 車頭行得靜D 順D,一缸油行既里數多20-40KM左右(city)
3. 4000-4500km 左右換一次,用motul 8100 5w30。如果夏天有落場就會換密少少。
4. 有冇d咩自己做左覺得對架車好d既野可以同大家分享下?
5. 習慣左經常check 各種油同水既condition,常check呔氣,一年一次alignment check/adjust,半年至一年bleed一次brake同clutch油

暫時黎講部車都好爽

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maintenance minder?  well, same as maintenance indicator la, tell you when you need to do whatever service..  I follow whatever my car askes me to la..  

My " CAR OF THE CENTURY " had app. 200,000 km before I gave it to my friend wor ..

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celeron_266: well...when you said you will do ubc / vgh daily from richmond, bby weekly, and whole bunch of in-richmond driving, that's already easy to even out with an average; some time it's also more accurate if you do that calculation right after an oil change too, but i would say you should average out 2 to 3 tanks of gas mileage before you can tell which gas octane is better for your usage?! I usually don't feel a lot of diff wheather ppl are using 87 / 89 / 92 / 94 until i go uphill or onto the hwy speed (80+), but the most important part is not what you feel or can't feel, it's the hidden problem from carbon builds up etc...my 99 odyssey (probably 200k by this weekend) with 89 i could only get 300 to 330km/tank, which now with 92 I have got 367 for the last tank and this tank seems to be even more?! assume I have to go everywhere for work...

again, I don't notice any performance diff between 89 / 92 unless i go uphill or hauling 6 ppl or some stuff in the van or hwy speed, but overall engine is quieter...

shutterbug: umm I meant uneven dipstick level is BAD, i didn't say it's great, did i? We have done quite a few oil change at about 1000 to 1500km interval and it went from one side at min the other side above max to about 1mm diff in between the two sides...

a lot of ppl actually dun notice anything about "condensation", they only look at the color of the oil but very often they are just used to the "dirty" color...

if that's the purpose for you to do oil analysis, then i can even to do that for ya (just buy me a coffee or sth)...change your oil, bring it to me within 1000km, then i will tell you when i want to see it again

i didn't say MM is faulty, I just dun think they are accurate enough and seems like their standard is quite LOW...

CP: forgot what you are driving but a friend used to have a bmw 330i and she takes it back to dealer every time the service minder tells her to, ave about 22k to 25k and by 70k when her dad was about to buy off the car, he noticed the engine is very noisy and ended up leasing another one and tells her to do it every 8k...she noticed the diff doing it at 8k is not as much as doing it at 22k, but after 2 years 40k she noticed the engine is way quieter...

another friend's land rover freelander, at 55k it's noiser than one that is 110k...one serviced every 2 years like the dealer says (so it was about 22k and 45k) and the other one service every 8k...the 55k one is as noisy as a diesel in my opinion, can probably use a valve adjustment (which for her case, it's not adjustable) while the one at 110k still dun need valve adjustment yet...
我係5 Zigen :P

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CP: 200k ain't much, friend's EF civic is almost hitting 460k i think...
我係5 Zigen :P

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CP: 200k ain't much, friend's EF civic is almost hitting 460k i think...
字典仔 發表於 2009-12-15 12:07 PM

yeah... I had my integra till 350k and it's still good. I sold it to an auto-mechanic shop owner!

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shutterbug: umm I meant uneven dipstick level is BAD, i didn't say it's great, did i? We have done quite a few oil change at about 1000 to 1500km interval and it went from one side at min the other side above max to about 1mm diff in between the two sides...

a lot of ppl actually dun notice anything about "condensation", they only look at the color of the oil but very often they are just used to the "dirty" color...

if that's the purpose for you to do oil analysis, then i can even to do that for ya (just buy me a coffee or sth)...change your oil, bring it to me within 1000km, then i will tell you when i want to see it again

i didn't say MM is faulty, I just dun think they are accurate enough and seems like their standard is quite LOW...


What I meant was I've never heard that uneven dipstick level is a technique to determine condensation in the oil.  If you can, show me sources/links about this as I would love to know more about the logics behind this technique.  I couldn't find any on google!

Unless you run a oil analysis lab, I don't think you can tell me what kinds of contaminents and how much they are present in my oil.  Your advise will just be as good as my educated guess.  I personally don't think I need an oil analysis anyway.

How do you know MM standard is low?  I've searched over the internet for exactly how Honda MM works but nobody can tell me in details.  This system was only widely used in 2006 models I think.  It's not the same as the "maintenance light" system that was used before.  Of course the Honda version of MM cannot detect the oil physically; you still need to check oil level, etc but if the program is sophisticated enough, make a good estimate of when you need an oil change isn't really that hard.  So I was just curious if you know how this system works internally, but it looks like you don't know either.  Btw, Daimler and Flowtronics has developed "oil quality" sensor which comes into physical contact with the oil.  I'm sure more and more of this type of thing will be available in the future and more accurate for sure.

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本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-12-15 15:56 編輯

Wah .. what is uneven dipstick level again?

SB, you better message me la..

Anyway ..  at the end of the day, it is not 90's now ...  used cars worth near to nothing ..  no matter in TOP TOP shape .. low km, vs one in average shape, and high km ..   in general ..

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CP that's what I want to know too. What does uneven dipstick level means and the logic behind it.

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