shutterbug

This only shows the consumers are accepting Hyundai quality. These people cross shop between Japane ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-13 22:47

People are buying Hyundai because they're cheap and 0% finance for 5 years ok?  You get their marketing?

AND Ford's quality isn't that bad.  I had a Ford before for 225k km, no big issues, just normal stuff.  Have you read this?
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... ut-ford-closes-gap/

"According to the survey, Honda and Toyota continue to have the most reliable vehicles, but Ford is very close behind. The magazine said Ford’s performance in the survey “dispels the notion that only Japanese manufacturers make reliable cars.”"

Anyway, I wasn't comparing Ford and Hyundai reliability when prelude said Genesis has CRAZY torque for a 25k car.

Side note, do you know how much Ford's stock price has risen in the last year?

shutterbug

Don't use consumer report as they are very brand biased. Even they claim they shop independently, bu ...
pkphilip 發表於 2010-3-13 22:26

Edmunds did reliability tests?  For how long did they own the car for?  Even C&D or R&T's (??) long-term tests are way too short.  Forum reviewers are a joke sometimes, like some we have here.  Not you ok.

Yes Genesis is RWD so what?  It's no match for MS3 and Cobalt on track either.  Yes MS3's full torque is limited in first two gear to about 240 (not sure 100%), but still more than Genesis.  Anyhow, to say a car is fast or not you just don't look at hp and torque alone.  I'm not saying Genesis is a bad car, but what I mean is that it doesn't have CRAZY torque.  Some company is trying to make a turbo kit for the Genesis 2.0 and hopefully to bump it up to 300hp.  Apparently, some guy said that it's engine block/head/etc is basically the same as the Lancer EVO; manufactures shared development.  If that's true then it's a different story!

peter236

People are buying Hyundai because they're cheap and 0% finance for 5 years ok?  You get their marke ...
shutterbug 發表於 2010-3-13 22:57

Ford is better than GM and Chrysler. At least Ford did not need to borrow money from the US government. Ford cars are cheap as well.
Hyundai is now the 4th largest car maker in the world. People buy Hyundai because it is reliable, in addition to affordable.
Some people think that the Hyundai Genesis was designed using the BMW 5 series as the benchmark.

Some car critics think the Hyundai Genesis is better than BMW 5 series.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2009/07/hyundai-genesis-tops-bmw-5-series-jaguar-xf-in-jd-power-apeal-study.html

shutterbug

Ford is better than GM and Chrysler. At least Ford did not need to borrow money from the US governm ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-14 00:04

IMO Hyundai stole a lot of customers by the styling of their vehicles, which took bits and pieces from other designer's work.  Styling is a very important factor in addition to price and reliability.

The Genesis sedan is a good car for its price; I have no objection to that.  Even if it's "better" than the 5 series, people will still pay more to buy the BMW because Hyundai is Hyundai.

peter236

IMO Hyundai stole a lot of customers by the styling of their vehicles, which took bits and pieces  ...
shutterbug 發表於 2010-3-14 00:21

But Hyundai sales is catching up with Honda and surpassing Honda. Clearly, more and more people are buying Hyundai, instead of paying more for German cars.

shutterbug

But Hyundai sales is catching up with Honda and surpassing Honda. Clearly, more and more people are ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-14 00:41

Honda cars are getting more expensive and their styling is going downhill big time!  Look at the new line of Acura.  Acuras used to sell like hot cakes in the 90's and early 00's.

You need to understand that the number of people who can afford a German car is way less than the number who can afford a Hyundai.  Selling more doesn't necessarily mean it's better you know.  OK OK...I know you will say China cars will out sell Korean cars in the near future...LOL  Actually, as a Chinese I'm waiting for that day too!

I think we've hijacked the thread enough that we should go back to the topic, but where's the OP?  Posted a question then disappeared?

peter236

Honda cars are getting more expensive and their styling is going downhill big time!  Look at the n ...
shutterbug 發表於 2010-3-14 01:22

hahaha, don't laugh, Chinese designed and made cars may soon outsell Korean cars if not already.
China's car market is already the world's largest and grew at 50% in 2009. They made about 13.83 million cars in 2009 (both foreign and local). I am not sure, how many of that was made by local Chinese brand names. But assuming 30% of that was made by Chinese brand names, that was already over 4.6 million cars. Hyundai probably made about 5 million cars in 2009. Of course, you can say we cannot buy Chinese cars here yet. But they do export to some other developing countries.

canon10D

thx for the info guys......

I am still a japanese car fans

so no korean!!!!!

sheep

thx for the info guys......

I am still a japanese car fans

so no korean!!!!!
canon10D 發表於 2010-3-14 09:51

how about Korean Girls?

Prelude

Compare MS3 with Genesis Coupe is worthless, $33k vs $25k.
On the other hand, Cobalt SS is a closer comparison, $27,995 MSRP vs $25k, about 10% more.  Cobalt SS is good deal as well, supercharged  260  @ 5,300.Torque 260 @ 2,000, vs
hp 210 @ 6,000 torque 223 @ 2,000.  On paper, Cobalt SS is better deal in number wise.  I heard Cobalt SS is really fast as well in real world driving.  In terms of look and trust in reliability, I would prefer Genesis coupe, but that's my preference.   And I would still suggest Genesis coupe to OP instead of Cobalt, because it's closer price to what the OP intend to spend.  Spend another 10% on top of Genesis is stretching too far.

The new Mustang 2011 is a monster in Performance / Price too.  But you need to consider, 6.99% finance.  That's quite high, and adds to the price and make it more expensive that Genesis Coupe.  Also, you need to take a look of the ****ness of seat, interior and look.   

So, can you tell me what's the best look, performance, reliable car is around $30k after everything included at 60 months finance?  The XRS should be around 26k to 27k after everything.