Hey..I think you have a very good point. The previews being done in the heads do have alot of benifits =D I feel so lucky that I started photography before the digital age =P
I can't say one can learn faster because they use film camera?
DSLR has the advantage for the photographer to shoot more at lower cost, and it allows the photographer to review the pictures instantaly.
Film camera would probably encourage the photographer to think before they shoot.
However, if we like, we can always use the DSLR the same way as film SLR. Turn the preview off, use M setting, and don't review/delete any pics until you get home. Or maybe bring smaller size memory card, and limit the # of pictures for your assignments.
原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-29 09:48 發表
well if you shoot more film, you will find the different.
It relies on your experience and skill in a heavy weight because the so call "preview" is done in the mind.
Since digital is cheap, ppl do the ...
原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-29 09:48 AM 發表
well if you shoot more film, you will find the different.
It relies on your experience and skill in a heavy weight because the so call "preview" is done in the mind.
Since digital is cheap, ppl do the ...
My plan is to learn with a DSLR first and to figure out the basics with less cost. Then one day try out film. I like to preview in my mind. I usually visualize the shot before I pick up my camera and try it. DSLR will give me result sooner and cheaper as a learner/beginner.
btw... I don't like to use photoshop (too lazy... I guess)
It's good to read more books or from the webs, and shoot more at the same time. Given that you know the basics:
1> ISO Setting
2> Shutters
3> Apertures
4> Different type of lightmeter
5> Focal Length
Give youself assignments such as:
Example:
- Location: City Park (eg. Richmond Nature Park)
- Using ISO 100 Only and shoot in M mode
- Try out shooting with 35mm lens focal length only
- Shoot with diff. aperture settings, and ask youself why each given aperture is being used
- adjust shutter speed to get proper exposure
Then go home and review each pictures in details, did you capture what you have expected? If not, find out why. Find your best photos, and share with other photographers, and get some opinions.
Ultraman, I don't see how digital photography is like cram school. Certainly a lot can be done in PP. But PP techniques have been used in film-based photography through the ages as well -- they're ca ...
If you know photography in deep, you should know traditional "picture taking" and "darkroom enlargement technique" are two different departments la. In olden days, photographers who shoot might not know darkroom techniques at all ga. They just hang over their exposed films to photo labs to finish the needed developing job for them. And darkroom technicians might not know how to take pictures wor! (of course there are people doing both la.) So "photographers" (the ones who only do the shooting) need to get their exposed images as perfect as possible, such as try to get as accurate exposure as they can, least or absolutely no cropping afterwards, can't wait until the developed prints come out to see the result and arrange for a 2nd shoot (not all situations allow you to shoot again).....etc. And most photo lab technicians just want to get their job done and get paid, and they will only do general corrections in almost all cases cuz the pictures were not taken by them. How many photographers have been disappointed by lab technicians?! So the theory is: take near-perfect pictures and get near-perfect prints; but take imperfect pictures to get crappy prints lor! Thus they mainly rely on their shooting (true photography) skills, cuz the darkroom techniques are very limited.
But nowadays, people rely on digital stuff a lot. They can under/over expose their images, just shoot the object by all means and crop/recompose them freely afterwards, no need to put filters on but change to b/w images afterwards, ............... tell me what is "photography" to them? Yes, people who shoot in digital need to know certain techniques in PS (or similar) in order to get their images "look good". But that is nothing truly related to "photography", I can ask many computer geniuses who don't know how to take pictures to do the dirty job for me la. For example, for under-exposed more than 1 stop in conventional photography you can do nothing about it but get bad prints; but in digital photography you won't have any problem with it even you under-exposed for 2 stops la. No matter how bad/crappy my original images are, they can be turned out normal or even near perfect tim wor! I won't call it "true photography" lor.
Don't you ever see people using a DSLR for their very first time and ask: "Oh, where is the live preview?"? That's how "digital photography" influences people lor. You know my point?
Go buy a digital one and have fun with it sin la. If you're really interested later, you will know how important the film is. Photography can be started easily with your DC or even your with phone. Don't blindly buy all the gears and do so-called photography when you don't even know how the shutter and aperture work. I have heard people asking so many questions on which DSLR to buy and they don't even know what want... Just like a person buying a car and he doesn't know how to drive. If you really want to buy it, pick one for beginners. (they mentioned a lot above...) Have Fun!!!
Agree here. I needed to bracket my shots on film (-1, 0, +1) so I get only 12 images from a roll of 36.
I think shooting digital makes you satisfied easier because you can shoot so much at a day that there's got to be a few images you like. Plus photoshop is so easy.. just using the mouse and you can tweak your image here and there... not to mention if you use action.
But if you shoot film.... if you have your images developed by a lab, they won't do much tweaking for you and you may not like how the colors turn out etc. And how many pictures you think you are going to like from 36 exposures?
If you develop your photos in darkroom by yourself... how many trials you need (ie. how many photographic paper wasted!!) until you have done something like, dodging and burning on one photo?
I think those who started photography using film learnt it the hard way. And their foundation tends to be more solid than those who started on digital.
When I was shooting my first roll of film just a fewl months ago, I felt like a complete beginner. Not to mention my first film photos sucked so so so bad! I really don't know why... for me, using a manual film camera is very different from using a DSLR.
原帖由 Traum 於 2008-1-29 09:09 發表 From a photographer's point of view, there is very little difference shooting film and shooting digital.
I have to disagree with this statement. Shooting digital and shooting film are sooooooooooo different. Just give one example..... Over exposing your photo by half a stop or a stop is common technique used by portait photographers to give smoother skin when shooting negatives, but over exposing your digital shoot could risk losing details. You would rather have the correct exposure or have the picture slightly under expose and then modify it in post processing when shooting portrait in digital. Even the quality of image is so different between film and digital photo. I can never achieve the same kind of image quality I can get from black and white film with a digital camera. Especially with the time I spend in the dark room, I can tell apart a b&we film picture from a b&w digital picture for most of the times. Not to mention the fact that you don't get to choose the kind of film (which render very different image qualities) you use when shooting digital. And there is no way you can do Polaroid maniuplations on a digital imgae unless you print the image onto a transparency and then make Daylab your best friend! Film and digital are so different in many ways!
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(too lazy... I guess)
Photography can be started easily with your DC or even your with phone. Don't blindly buy all the gears and do so-called photography when you don't even know how the shutter and aperture work. I have heard people asking so many questions on which DSLR to buy and they don't even know what want... Just like a person buying a car and he doesn't know how to drive. If you really want to buy it, pick one for beginners. (they mentioned a lot above...) Have Fun!!!