daimo

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-9 15:41 發表

Of course, there must be a main subject for any discussion or else it becomes meaningless and time wasting. And thus as stated clearly on the topic title, that is the main subject for discussion. It  ...

Using your example, you are actually saying something like "do you think Canon cameras have 八大惡劣特徵?"

"It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act."

It's not up to you to determine if it is an act of attacking.  It's up to the group who is being targeted/stereotyped.

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BiscottiGelato

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 16:07 發表


Using your example, you are actually saying something like "do you think Canon cameras have 八大惡劣特徵?"

"It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act."

It's not up to you to determine if  ...

I'd think that it's useful for the group getting stereotyped to know why they are being stereotyped... Some people want to find out why other people think of them a certain way and possibly improve on that, other people just want to stay ignorant....

Isn't it to their benefit that people are being honest and willing to discuss this? Instead some BS is introduced to the thread to disrupt what is really to their benefit...

Besides, I think discussing about 'Canon cameras 八大惡劣特徵' is an excellent post for people to fully understand the weak points of Canon camera before going ahead to buy one, or know how to use their camera carefully to not allow these weak points to ruin their photos as much. (I use Canon camera, and I heck can go on and on and on about it's 惡劣特徵).

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 16:34 編輯 ]

shutterbug

What the heck is this discussion?

Did your teacher (I'm not gonna say his parents cuz he will get offended again and demand an apology ) teach you what stereotype is and it is not a good thing?  If not, I will tell you here.

"a stereotype is a preconceived and oversimplified notion of characteristics typical of a person or group. They are shortcuts that the mind uses for representation in our memory as summaries of the typical group member. They do not reflect reality properly because, even when they are based on truth, they are still a generalization about an individual which can never be completely accurate."

Anyone stereotyping any one else is not doing the right thing already and you request the people who are being stereotyped to examine themselves?  

"fong tin ha g dai mao"

本末倒置

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chunsh

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 17:32 發表
I'd think that it's useful for the group getting stereotyped to know why they are being stereotyped... Some people want to find out why other people think of them a certain way and possibly improve on that, other people just want to stay ignorant....

Isn't it to their benefit that people are being honest and willing to discuss this? Instead some BS is introduced to the thread to disrupt what is really to their benefit...

WELL SAID!!!
but if those portion of people among all the others know how to think and act and talk the way you are, that thread wouldn't last for 37 pages long

And ShutterBug just show us another good one
SB, I agree with u that sterotype is not good, but have u ever thought how come there are such sterotype exist?

go look at other hk forums, and you will find much more fights among believers and non-believers

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 18:58 編輯 ]

shutterbug

Good, you agreed that stereotyping is not a good thing, which means it's bad, which means it's wrong.

So, some guy did this wrong thing and you're asking me why this wrong thing exists???

用下腦啦

Don't blame others for your own fault.  Be a responsible man.

乏味...

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shutterbug

欲加之罪，何患無辭

後會有期呀老友!

angeldevil

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 14:42 發表

oh REALLY?!!
do u mind telling me your opinion about "Goonn Yum", "Guan Dai" and Buddah
and tell me about some churches of christianality disagreement about trinity, the actual birthday of Jesus and  ...

well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the temple & participated in all these ceremony & stuffs...
I used to have aggressive Christian friends who keep telling me to believe in it... to go to church... when i ask why, they just replied "believe me, it's really good for you"
& i thought, "I believe you but I also believe that it'll be SOOOOOOSOSOSOSOOOOO boring & I'll for sure regret about it if I go"
that was my mentality... I believe most Christians went through this stage/ something similar, too...

but now, just like many others... I decided to become a Christian...
as I participate in bible study and church, I realize it brings me a peaceful feeling & I am happier...
& what I do as a Christian is only to share with people what my experience is...
coz i did feel that series of coincidence happened on me...
but it doesn't happen on others so they don't believe in it & I can't help it, right.
I can't force them to believe, right... coz then i'll be doing what others did to me years ago...
so I won't even bother doing that... i tried then i tried...
if they're destinate to be able to feel and be involve, they will be.
all i can do is only sharing my own experience & invite them to church & bible study... & do my own part, try my best live like what god wants us to even in the 20th century when things are so different...
I believe doing my own part well is the major key bcoz I become curious as I observe... & that's what triggered me to get to know more about the religion...
& I realized, "hey, i like it... & yuen loi there're so much more about this religion... But is it real? does god listen?"
then something happened, & I believe in it... & it's the feeling that makes it different compared to all other coincidences...
& that's basically about it.
I still respect other religion...
I understand where do all these 8 points come from coz i've been to this kind of situation...
but now i'm confident enough to say that I disagree...
again, this post is not about criticism but comments... & religion is based on opinion...
ya. i hope this satisfy your curiosity...

CWong

well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the tem ...

我俾你滿分！
其它嗰啲掽疍都得嘞！

Ultraman

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 13:53 發表



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of Christians having one or more of these 8 things, that's why we have this discussion.

chunsh

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 01:27 發表


well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the tem ...

good for you that u have find a way to be happy in your life
and I wish my observation to the christians/chirstianality/churches nowaday is correct: They won't do too much hard-sell to non-believers and spreading their religion by stepping on other people's religion.

let me share mine exp
instead of reading a book with nobody can claim he/she understand the true meaning of each sentence of the bible by the name of god. I would like to 體驗這個世界 by reading news, uncensored real-life video/pictures in battle fields, 3rd worlds 來斷定究竟神的愛是不是滿佈這個世界

if I think back, I think 我和你既相似又不像
我小時候在香港是在天主教 & 基督教學校度過了九年歲月
在開頭的7-8年我有用心上聖經課﹐早會時候會參與pray﹐我沒有領洗﹐不會每餐飯之
前都pray, 沒有每星期返gatherings。 但我對Bible teachings 並沒有抗拒。並覺
得世界應該真的是有神的愛exist somewhere。但最後的一年﹐我開始不信了﹐總覺得那些teaching有些不對勁。至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會。

後來到了加拿大﹐開頭的兩年比較多點時間去想些東西(即係無聊)﹐又開始留意時事﹐看電視新聞﹐讀報(正版同社論)開始更加對聖經teachings同關於神的愛的事情更加質疑。曾和一些基督徒討論﹐但都沒有結果。有人問我為何我不去找牧師討論呢。我有想過﹐但as time goes by﹐ 我覺得沒有必要。 先不說那些什麼神造論 / big bang 論﹐什麼自有永有成不成立﹐我發覺﹐這個世界﹐每天﹐每時每分每秒都有無辜的人枉死(被謀 / 屠殺, cancer, accident etc)﹐而那個常常都高高在上的﹐所謂滿佈慈愛的神﹐有能力去無所不用其極的對異己屠殺(自己看舊約聖經同last chapter of bible) 卻對現今的人見死不救!!!!

有基督徒和我說﹐那些人受苦 / 被殺害是因為人類自己作的"業"﹐好像那些挑起戰爭的政府﹐毒犯﹐etc。唔聽由自可﹐聽左把幾兩把火! 對﹐ 是人類自己挑起戰爭﹐所以他們的國民才會枉死﹐挨hungry and then die with agony。但看著那些在圖中 / video中被炸到所有粉身碎骨既兒童 / 老弱﹐我問﹐為什麼死的不是那些挑起戰爭的狂人﹐而是兒童呢? 為什麼受苦的﹐會是抱著自己孩子屍體的母親呢? 之後我有再問﹐但答案都只有令我更加失望同光火。我開始覺得﹐我小時候那9年的生活中﹐ 俾人昆左。俾人昆左﹐就梗係更加不認同那些teachings了

而今年﹐我有機會去參與2﹐3次一個教會的gatherings﹐ 有分享﹐有聽道。但更加發覺他們大部份所講的道理我都不認同﹐and無意間被我發覺信眾之中出現了那8個問題:
自命屬靈、排斥異己  (please note, I was not the one who was being targeted)
教派衝突、狗咬狗骨  (this is second time I heard about the disagreement
about some chirstianality teachings between different group of christian)

I was like...."forget it man. you guys have fun, see ya!"

但同時﹐我also發覺現今的教會對傳道和對其他宗教的表面態度有別與從前。起碼﹐並沒有好像我的中學老師那樣 insult 其他宗教。這是一件好事。