yayaya

"很多人买狗或者养狗的目的只是因为空虚寂寞，多数人只当他们是伴侣，甚至玩具，并不是每个人对狗有特别的 ...
Ultraman 發表於 2010-3-17 10:44

then you should ask those people or go to do some survey on the street instead of sitting in front of ur computer and asking me

let me tell you 1 truth, when i was a broker, if i drop the price to 380 for 1 purebred shih tzu, i got around 10 appointments in a day, people just came and pick up the dog without saying shxt, you should probably go talk with them and teach them what a puppy mill is, most of the people won't care anything if the price is low enough for the coustomers as well as the profit is high enough for the seller. and i don't think this does harm to an animal since we find a good home for them fast, some broker wanna make more money on a pup, and keep them for a long time in a crate, that's what you should blame on.

and the wrost thing should be those people who have no education about puppy mills but not those broker or pet store or dog factory.

so you here talking to me so much is useless. go teach those people who knows nothing about the puppy mills.

Ultraman

then you should ask those people or go to do some survey on the street instead of sitting in fron ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-17 10:50

Actually I'm challenging your concept.
If people want to buy live animal as toys, you think it's OK (or more than OK) to sell. If people want to have sex, you also think it's OK to sell sex. No moral is needed to concern in both cases cuz they're all just business, just a money trade?!

fibbi

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    IMO they can't be compared wor...
"If people want to buy live animal as toys, you think it's OK (or more than OK) to sell. If people want to have sex, you also think it's OK to sell sex. No moral is needed to concern in both cases cuz they're all just business, just a money trade?!"

Selling/Buying sex is considered immoral in the first place (because of traditional values, or culture belief...etc...)
Selling/Buying dog is not immoral wor...just how the seller (or breeder in this case) treat the dog could be a problem...

布小熊

Actually I'm challenging your concept.
If people want to buy live animal as toys, you think it's O ...
Ultraman 發表於 2010-3-17 10:54 AM

haha that's what my bf said when I told him this topic.
Guess as long as the facility is CLEAN and well maintained.

yayaya

Actually I'm challenging your concept.
If people want to buy live animal as toys, you think it's O ...
Ultraman 發表於 2010-3-17 10:54

haha, 同你讲野真系够无聊，这是我最后一次回复你，sex同pet，你可以类比，但是不同人愿意提供不同服务，有人愿意婚前性行为也有人不愿意，那我说去打劫能比你坐office赚得更多钱你去不去？

我愿意提供宠物中介服务，是因为我至少不是在虐待动物，我只是作为一个过渡帮他们找一个归宿，同时也帮想买狗的人也愿意找我买的人提供一个渠道，我不是说你一定要买我的狗，ok？

同样有人需要sex，所以世界上便有妓女，并且从古至今，到以后，这行业还没看不到有要消失的趋势，ok?

同埋有些行业外表看上去很脏，但是不代表每一个人都如此，妓女你也不应该歧视所有妓女，有妓女靠自己出卖肉体活口，这就是no moral? 那有些人不靠自己活口但是整天坐在家里什么都不干就很moral?

Ultraman

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   Selling/Buying sex is considered immoral in the first place (because of traditional values, or culture belief...etc...)
Selling/Buying dog is not immoral wor...just how the seller (or breeder in this case) treat the dog could be a problem...
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-17 10:58

Well, depends on which perspective of "moral" we look at.
In a prostitution trade, "customers" "buy" sex in return to pay cash, the "sellers" receive cash and give out the "products". Both parties are willing to do the trade and agree on the deal. It's fair trade, nobody is being "hurt". However, as you said, it's the custom and culture that make people think/feel it's immoral.

Let me ask, in dogs trade, is puppy mill "moral" or "immoral"? Should sellers treat the dogs as a money-gaining-tool (a non-living form) or a living animal? Should buyers treat the dogs as "toy" (a non-living form) or a "pet" (not necessary to be a family member but at least a living animal)?

fibbi

Well, depends on which perspective of "moral" we look at.
In a prostitution trade, "customers" "bu ...
Ultraman 發表於 2010-3-17 11:15

    我覺得兩者根本不能比較。
selling／buying sex這種行為本身就可以當成不道德，跟環境乾不乾淨沒有關係。
賣狗這種行為本身沒有問題（至少你不會說是不道德），只在於在飼養繁殖方面，賣狗者有沒有給狗隻提供合理的環境。

puppy mill的問題，是在於不合理的繁殖環境。娼妓問題，不在於跟嫖客發生性行為的地方上。

Ultraman

The question becomes more interesting now.
Yeah, some people might think puppy mill is not 虐待动物 but to some people think it already is. (too bad the animal can't talk)
One said being a prostitute is more moral than a housewife sitting at home doing nothing.

I'm not going to spread that comparison to a worse discussion.
But what I want to comment is, which is only my personal opinion:
- I think puppy mill is immoral and inhumane.

快樂牛郎

No two people have the same morals.  There's no need for debate.

chobit

Sorry, but where did you get that info.  I find it hard to believe to have store this size having staffs working 40+ w/o OT.

I can understands some asian stores or restaurants...!

回復  chocobun

whenever I was in that freaking small animal "livestock section", I felt like I am  ...
superberry 發表於 2010-3-16 13:40