peter236

You are quite correct that the 2 cases are similar in that both persons crossed the bottom lines of ...
Lik 發表於 2010-12-10 13:25

Mr Lik, you need to learn more about Tibet. Dalai Lama 大西藏區自治, clearly includes parts of Yunnan, Qinghai and Guizhou province. He is way more ambitious then you think. Once you give him autonomous region, he will then ask for total independence.

peter236

回復  peter236

Have you ever seen it happened in USA, Germany and Switzland?
A government that doe ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 13:38

You are such a moron that does not even know what is being discussed here.
All of us support democracy for China, but not necessarily federalism.

I agree with you on democracy, but China does not necessarily need federalism. Since a weakened Chinese central government will reduce the levarage of China when dealing with the US. Not all democratic countries in the world are federal.

Which province will take back Diaoyu Islands? Fujian province? Is Fujian province alone strong enough to deal with Japan?

How about Spratlys islands? Hainan province? Is Hainan province strong enough to deal with Vietnam and Phillippines which have much larger population?

When China does have democracy, that does not mean the CCP will not exist. It is a matter of whether people will vote some of their candidates. The CCP will most likely change their name or split into various parties, representing left, middle, or right of the society. Whichever party they elect, the government will still be controlled by the Chinese people.

Even in Canada, there is communist party but no one votes for them and they have very few candidates.

To implement federalism you have to first split China into various countries and then allow each province to decide whether to join the Chinese federation. This will weaken all the provinces of China as many provinces will have smaller population then Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Phillippines, Indonesia etc. The provinces by themselves do not have the financial power and levarage to compete as effectively against all these other Asian countries.

somewhereintime

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  "毛澤東死左幾十年﹐領導人都換左幾屆﹐ "

  Who's picture is printed on the RMB banknotes?
  Deng? Jiang or Hu??? China is still haunted by Mao,
  for years to come

somewhereintime

回復 52# peter236

I don't even want to argue with you,
when did I ever say that China needed to become federalism?
I said federalism is not a bad system, but never say it works for China.
Then............................
try to learn how to read, then to comprehend  before name calling

Lik

On the subject of Liberty and Human Rights, China is still in Grade 3 Elementary School while the Western World is 3rd year University. The Western World slams China for not being able to do Algebra when they fail Calculus themselves. China obviously have much to improve, they are still classified as a developing country afterall. I'm not saying China should get away with everything because of this, but the way China is slammed by Western media is definately politically charged or greatly influenced by prior propganda.
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-12-10 13:43

China supporters always use this as their excuse to cut China some slack on their human rights disasters. But they're forgetting the fact that the analogy falls short in the sense that on the international stage, everybody is an adult that needs to act responsibly. If they fail to do so, they better be ready to face any sort of criticism that comes their way, regardless of whether that criticism actually comes or not. Thus, the analogy should really be that China is an adult with a grade 3 IQ. Besides, while basic human rights issues may not be 1+1=2 (survival would be that), they would more or less be equivalent to 2x2=4.

-Lik

somewhereintime

I do not blindly follow the western media,
I refer to the general opinion of the  average HKers,
My sisters and many relatives live in Hong Kong,
along with friends. If 90+% of HK scholars feel that China isdoing wrong, I tend to accept the  idea.
I think the CCP supporters have given in too much and too lenient
to their masters, almost like during the feudal age where the rulers are sacred.
To me, they are merely public servants and nothing superior to
the common people.
They do not even respect the constitution they written.
They can frame LXB, but under what ground they house-arrest his wife???
Tell me,  suckers

peter236

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I don't even want to argue with you,
when did I ever say that China needed to becom ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 22:29

I was just talking to you as a friend. It was not intended as an argument at all. I was just saying beware of western powers trying to use federalism to weaken China by divide-and-conquer.

Catpiano

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  "毛澤東死左幾十年﹐領導人都換左幾屆﹐ "

  Who's picture is printed on the RMB bankn ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 22:22

Ha Ha .. this is a good one ...

BiscottiGelato

China supporters always use this as their excuse to cut China some slack on their human rights disa ...
Lik 發表於 2010-12-10 22:44

The international expectation is double standard. They suppressed China for 100+ years and they expect China to be measured by the same ruler as western societies are? What hypocrite.

Obviously I'd love that the entire China have the living standard of Norway. To up hold Civil Liberty with the highest regard (even US/Canada can't do that based on all those police power trips). To expect so and criticize based on that is simply dreaming. Any person or persons in power will always try to preserve the status quo. Just like US in going after Julian Assange. China is all the same. And with their political system it will take it even longer for change to occur unless there's an economic, political or social collapse. I am not trying to buy China any excuses. I am merely being realistic. The reality is China as a whole is moving towards the right way, but at a snail pace. Western society is on a decline and trying to stop China at all costs, including using all sorts of nasty propaganda. Shame on the hypocrites.

somewhereintime

Sounds like from Xinhua News agency's standard script.
I  cannot speak for others, but I never  say anything to defend the Western's wrongdoing
in history and present. Just focus on what is happening in China,
it is so sad that the CCP is so insecured and naive,
so fear of its own people.