fibbi

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    "There is little relation between 八萬五 and 負資產"???  

I"m not talking about US, don't drag other cases.

peter236

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    "There is little relation between 八萬五 and 負資產"???  

I"m not tal ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-17 10:50

Can you establish a relation between the 八萬五 and 負資產? Please do it, otherwise STFU.

負資產 was caused by British Hong Kong's bubble economy before 1997 and the Asian financial crisis. Housing prices was too high before 1997 and the effect from the  Asian financial crisis caused the fall of housing prices
八萬五 was scrapped and not implemented anyway. There never was 85000 supply on the market.

rockypath

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    In other words do you think the policy in the70s or 80s are way worse than no ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-17 09:55

現在香港人上街遊行主要為兩件事－自由民主和民生（特別是對基層弱勢社群的照顧）。

當年香港人有多少人會追求自由民主？大家都清楚知道自己是被殖民統治而且也接受和習慣這個事實。有邊個會關心政治？穩真銀先係最重要。

當年有幾多人會期望得到政府的照顧？大家都知道要有飯吃就要靠自己努力。 當年香港人引以自豪的香港精神是如何而來的？

Lik

Can you establish a relation between the 八萬五 and 負資產? Please do it, otherwise STFU.
peter236 發表於 2011-3-17 10:52

Moron, STFU and accept history as it is. It is a well-established fact that LMD's stupid 八萬五 policy proposal sent fears into the market.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5 ... B%E8%A8%88%E5%8A%83

Your credibility has long been bankrupt. STFU and stop posting la.

-Lik

peter236

Moron, STFU and accept history as it is. It is a well-established fact that LMD's stupid 八萬五 pol ...
Lik 發表於 2011-3-17 11:04

You stupid moron, just eat you own radioactive sh*t,

Where is the proof here? No proof was given there, just empty talk and baseless claims.
Can you establish a relation between the 八萬五 and 負資產? Please do it, otherwise STFU.
Just give your financial model here, proving that there is a relation, otherwise just STFU la.

負資產 was caused by British Hong Kong's bubble economy before 1997 and the Asian financial crisis. Housing prices was too high before 1997 and the effect from the  Asian financial crisis caused the fall of housing prices in HK and many other Asian countries.
八萬五 was scrapped and not implemented anyway. There never was 85000 supply on the market.

Little Lik, your credibility has long been bankrupt. STFU and stop posting la. Your anti-China and Hong kong is well known here. Posting faked news is your habit.

fibbi

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    既然你認為遊行的目的不外乎增取民主自由或為民生問題，港英政府時代暫且不論民主，但民生問題若市民真的很不滿，一樣會上街遊行表達不滿，唔係話上街的都是希望政府養的一群。是對政府政策的不滿或有不公平的政策。我不認為港英政府很好很完美，那時香港被屈而成為第一收容港，香港都無權say no，但無可否定那時民生比較安定，當然你可說天時地利人和。但七十年代一樣有過股災，但當時政府無做甚麼特別（好／唔好）嘅政策再去刺激市場，而九七後都有很多經濟上的挑戰，金融風暴外來因素無話可說，但八萬五就真係屬於好心做壞事的政策。

rockypath

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    既然你認為遊行的目的不外乎增取民主自由或為民生問題，港英政府時代暫且不論民主 ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-17 12:19

我不認為特區政府和港英政府的政策好壞有可比性特別是在不同的歷史和經濟背景之下。

但有兩點我覺得現在是與七八十年代是不同的。

第一，        香港人的政治意識和對自由民主的追求要比當年強得多。能夠參與治理香港和表達自己的需求的方法和途徑要比當年多和直接。

第二，        香港當年在亞洲有得天獨厚的優越條件和競爭力。香港人擁有高人一等的優越感。如今的事實是香港已不再是一枝獨秀而其所面對的競爭要比當年強勁和複雜得多。香港人開始有危機感也同時對政府有更多的期望。希望政府能夠保持和延續當年的輝煌。

mcjohnjohn

Can you establish a relation between the 八萬五 and 負資產?
peter236 發表於 2011-3-18 03:26

八萬五... o係香港樓市最高既時候黎呢招, 令香港人炒賣既信心跌至低谷, 咁多樓咁多supply, 點炒呀? 咁樓市就開始插水. 插得場越多, 香港人就越驚, 惡性循環, 令到樓市陷入恐慌.
八萬五... 令小弟知道香港有好多人靠買賣樓宇搵食, 原來樓價插水係會令失業率上升咁多. 負資產+失業, 搞到有人跳哂樓, 燒哂炭, 社會怨氣沸騰, 市民直指係八萬五惹的禍! 自此董伯伯開始有腳患, 慢慢淡出香港既政治舞台了.

daimo

八萬五...

The bomb was planted all the way back from 麥理浩's days.  without 麥理浩's high land price policies,  the Lee's and the Kwok's won't be as rich as they are today.

八萬五 is just the bomb trigger.

peter236

負資產 was caused by British Hong Kong's bubble economy before 1997 and the Asian financial crisis. Housing prices was too high before 1997 and the effect from the  Asian financial crisis caused the fall of housing prices in HK and many other Asian countries.
八萬五 was scrapped and not implemented anyway. There never was 85000 supply on the market.