mcjohnjohn

咁你呢棵愚昧嘅牆頭草咪俾老共呃咗囉。一個只有投票權，但無題名權、無參選權嘅「選舉」，根本就唔符合國際社會普選嘅標準。你咁都收貨嘅話咪即係你白黐囉～
Lik 發表於 2011-4-19 01:47

可能係我白痴啦, 但我覺得有得選已經好足夠了. 可能我深知自己係一個small potato, 唔會去提名人地, 人地都唔會提名自己去參與政治既活動. 所以果d 提名權同參選權我真係完全唔care, 只要有得比我投就可以了! 當然, 最好有人幫我搞掂張名單又合我心意啦~

-- 翹埋雙手等飯開既 MJJ

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Poor you MJJ, 唔做中,唔做保,唔做媒人三代好...

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lo_pak 發表於 2011-4-19 06:29

我不嬲都係有果句講果句, 冇政治立場既我就只有講下自己既意見, 咁比人話牆頭草我係完全理解既. 因為我每件事都會獨立分析, 針對事而唔係針對人丫麻.

我發表得意見, 就預左有人唔同意. 不過我人大左, 修養比較好少少, 好少話人仆街或者白黐咁law. 不過, 我相信人地咁話我都有佢既原因, 我會參考佢既意見去完善自己的~

-- 有人覺得做人冇中指既 MJJ

Lik

可能係我白痴啦, 但我覺得有得選已經好足夠了. 可能我深知自己係一個small potato, 唔會去提名人地, 人地都唔會提名自己去參與政治既活動. 所以果d 提名權同參選權我真係完全唔care, 只要有得比我投就可以了! 當然, 最好有人幫我搞掂張名單又合我心意啦~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-4-18 19:07

你唔認為重要並唔代表實際上唔重要。無咗題名權嘅話，就即係等於你響屋企食飯，但阿爺會迫你從一碟餿水、一pat屎、同一碟發臭、變壞咗嘅餸裡面任揀一樣，而唔係自己話想食乜就食乜。無咗參選權，就即係你無得自己入廚房去煮餸。

你自己唔介意俾人迫你食屎嘅話，ok!但咁樣只係代表你自己唔介意食屎，而並唔代表食屎係一件好事。

-力

sheep

你唔認為重要並唔代表實際上唔重要。無咗題名權嘅話，就即係等於你響屋企食飯，但阿爺會迫你從一碟餿水、 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-4-18 19:46

你忘記咗另一個最大可能係
佢根本就鐘意食屎

mcjohnjohn

你唔認為重要並唔代表實際上唔重要。無咗題名權嘅話，就即係等於你響屋企食飯，但阿爺會迫你從一碟餿水、一pat屎、同一碟發臭、變壞咗嘅餸裡面任揀一樣，而唔係自己話想食乜就食乜。無咗參選權，就即係你無得自己入廚房去煮餸。

你自己唔介意俾人迫你食屎嘅話，ok!但咁樣只係代表你自己唔介意食屎，而並唔代表食屎係一件好事。

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-4-19 11:46

力少, 你呢個比喻唔錯. 講真, 都食左三十幾年屎, 我唔介意繼續食多一段時間, 反正o係呢三十幾年食屎既生涯之中都冇乜唔滿意既地方. 當然有得自己揀係好既, 不過我其實唔多願意花時間去揀, 揀野好花精神架. 所以o係我接受得到既範圍內我唔介紹繼續食屎的.

-- 逆境自強 MJJ

mcjohnjohn

你忘記咗另一個最大可能係
佢根本就鐘意食屎
sheep 發表於 2011-4-19 11:56

衰鬼, 你唔係唔記得我地尋晚一齊同台食飯.... 食屎丫麻?

sheep

同枱食屎
各自修行

rockypath

The key words of the question I asked are “effectiveness” and “efficiency”. Many countries claim they are a democratic country. How effectively and efficiently would their democracy actually be?  

Democracy is much more than just the “voting right”. However, some people take “voting right” as equal to democracy. And I also wonder whether those people had asked themselves the question – “what are the reasons for fighting for democracy and what do they want to achieve after receiving the democracy?”

Do they believe “democracy” is the silver bullet to the problems they are complaining or suffering? How do they know for sure “democracy” will bring them 社會公義, 解決貧富分化和民生困苦，使國家繁榮強大和給人民帶來富裕安定的生活 if the “voting right” is granted to them immediately as they asked for？

如果我沒有記錯，伊朗人民是不是也有選舉權？如果西方國家沒有給與巴勒斯坦選舉制度，恐怖組織哈馬斯可能沒那麼容易以合法手段取得政權吧？民主選舉是否解決了台灣的貪污腐敗問題？我們似乎看到不同政黨為取得選民支持不擇手段搞社會族群分化和政治獻金交易。


P.S. I had asked Lik for his definition of democracy and his answer, in conclusion, is basically the "voting right". I would recommend him to find out what democracy means first.

Lik

低能兒，

我從來無講過民主就只係 voting rights。你估我好似你咁低能、咁低層次？

而我前前後後亦講過好多次民主唔係 silver bullet，亦唔能夠解決一切嘅問題。但正如 Winston Churchill 所講，It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.而我亦唔該你條粉腸唔好用啲垃圾 example 來渾淆視聽。

伊朗並唔係真正嘅民主，因為佢其實係政教合一，總統背後果個主教先至係最後話事人。對好多巴勒斯坦人來講，哈馬斯並唔太恐怖，而且往往有哈馬斯嘅實Q人員響到睇場，地方嘅治安反而更好。而且哈馬斯自己亦一直改變緊，裡面有 hardline 嘅人，但大勢係因為組織要合法參政，所以佢地亦轉向緊去迎合人民嘅要求。

而你話民主選舉無解決到臺灣貪污腐敗就更可笑。阿扁依家係自由身定係坐緊大牢？反之中國大陸境內，巧取豪奪嘅權貴如果唔係權鬥而失勢嘅話，都唔會俾人拉落馬。文明社會要拉人就一定係要講證據，所以永遠都只能夠係 reactive 而唔係 preemptive。而阿扁坐監就正正係反映咗民主體制之下，貪污腐敗問題係唔能夠逃出法網之外，那怕你係前總統都係咁話！

民主唔係萬能，但卻係 best of the worst。而你不斷去扭曲事實來為阿爺護短，就正正係 worst of the worst!

-力

mcjohnjohn

而你話民主選舉無解決到臺灣貪污腐敗就更可笑。阿扁依家係自由身定係坐緊大牢？反之中國大陸境內，巧取豪奪嘅權貴如果唔係權鬥而失勢嘅話，都唔會俾人拉落馬。文明社會要拉人就一定係要講證據，所以永遠都只能夠係 reactive 而唔係 preemptive。而阿扁坐監就正正係反映咗民主體制之下，貪污腐敗問題係唔能夠逃出法網之外，那怕你係前總統都係咁話！
Lik 發表於 2011-4-19 13:01

乜呀扁呢d 巧取豪奪嘅權貴唔係因為失左勢先至比人秋後算帳架咩?