shutterbug

Nobody created God and God doesn't need to be created.  He's not bounded by time or cause.

Just because there are bad examples of Christian doesn't have anything to do with Christianity itself.  Even Judah was Jesus' disciple, followed him for a few years, and what has he done?  He even saw the miracles that Jesus performed and listened to his teachings.  Having Judah or any other bad examples doesn't prove that Christ is not God.  In any kind of large organization, there are always good appples and bad apples.

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chunsh

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 09:32 發表
Nobody created God and God doesn't need to be created.  He's not bounded by time or cause.

Just because there are bad examples of Christian doesn't have anything to do with Christianity itself.  Even ...

輸打贏要既最佳例子
用人既logic去說服人﹐但又deny人既logic

how do u know god doesn't need to be created? who told u he is not bounded
by any time or cause? Are u an experts of time and space and cause?

chihiro

雖然我唔係基督徒,
但係我知道並唔係個個基督徒都o甘無知o既~

shutterbug

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-6 09:54 發表



輸打贏要既最佳例子
用人既logic去說服人﹐但又deny人既logic

how do u know god doesn't need to be created? who told u he is not bounded
by any time or cause? Are u an experts of time and space and ca ...

I'm surprised somone who actually asked who created God at this stage of the discussion.  For one thing I know for sure is that this is the "definition" that people came up with and is generally accepted.

If God is created, then who created the one who created God and so on?  There's no end!  So even without religious views, people came up with the definition of God for argument purposes.

You certainly don't need to agree on this but if you don't then there will be no discussion cuz nothing will stand anymore.

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siumaibb

又黎？算罷啦

starbug

原帖由 chihiro 於 2009-1-6 10:30 發表
雖然我唔係基督徒,
但係我知道並唔係個個基督徒都o甘無知o既~

唉, 年中走幾個唔性嘅出嚟亂講嘢都夠澤洗啦.

daimo

let's guess when this post will reach by the end of this week ...

my guess ... page 15.

(and will come back in 1 form or another every 2-3 months from "someone" who doesn't hate Christians, who is not against Christianity ...)

and Chun, I just have to quote your "輸打贏要既最佳例子"

goldie

原帖由 chihiro 於 2009-1-6 10:30 發表
雖然我唔係基督徒,
但係我知道並唔係個個基督徒都o甘無知o既~

我都唔係基督徒。
我可以忍受周圍很多很多「不成熟基督徒」討厭的作風，
完全係因為我真心欽佩少數幾個「成熟基督徒」的為人。

shutterbug

I think this "基督徒八大惡劣特徵" started in "Golden"...someone ported this over...

but the point is if one really wants to challenge Christianity, he needs to come up with better stuff than this lor...LOL

Ultraman

I think the original passage is to point out "基督徒八大惡劣特徵", not "基督教八大惡劣特徵". Who dare to say those 8 characters are not commonly found within Christians (say "immature ones)? The writer didn't say/against anything of "Jesus" and Christianity at all. But then (as usual and expected), many Christians and believers came out to defend hard of what they believe without rational discussion. That's definitely not what non-believers want to see.

Every time starting this kind of sensitive discussion would be like that. Non-believers still have many unanswered questions in mind, and the bad impression of Christians is keep accumulating.
(I'm not challenging or against-ing, just want to tell people the fact.)